Anonymous
07/03/2023 21:58
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That has never been true. POC who were QUALIFIED were admitted, it was never about admitting unqualified students. That a racist lie straight from hell!
If they were qualified, they wouldn't have needed affirmative action to admit them.
The whole issue is because there are a lot more students who meet the qualifications for Harvard and would likely to do well at Harvard, than the available slots at Harvard. The underlying issue is that Harvard is ridiculously overvalued by parents whose genius kids would be just as successful with degrees from any of 100 other excellent universities.
It is much more than a plus factor to pick between two equal candidates. Harvard gets a lot of qualified applications, but this ruling is about all colleges even if Harvard is just the plaintiff.
No, it's really only highly selective colleges that are affected.
When you are a school that accepts 80-100% of your applicants, this ruling is not going to affect you. And the majority of students attend schools that accept at such high levels. Only 6% of students attend a school with an admit rate at or below 25%.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/07/03/opinion/for-most-college-students-affirmative-action-was-not-enough.html
In the wake of the Supreme Court decision that struck down race-conscious admissions, we should recognize that, in practice, affirmative action mattered a great deal for very few and very little for most.
Yes, the decision will likely dramatically reduce the racial diversity of incoming classes at highly selective institutions like Harvard, Stanford and the University of North Carolina.
But because affirmative action only opened a tiny window of access to America’s most elite institutions, the ruling will make little difference for most college students.
Even with affirmative action in place, most students of color did not go to elite colleges, and last week’s ruling does nothing to change that. The current opportunity to bring racial equity to American higher education lies in a collective re-commitment to the quality and success of more accessible institutions.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 21:53
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That has never been true. POC who were QUALIFIED were admitted, it was never about admitting unqualified students. That a racist lie straight from hell!
If they were qualified, they wouldn't have needed affirmative action to admit them.
The whole issue is because there are a lot more students who meet the qualifications for Harvard and would likely to do well at Harvard, than the available slots at Harvard. The underlying issue is that Harvard is ridiculously overvalued by parents whose genius kids would be just as successful with degrees from any of 100 other excellent universities.
Then they should admit the qualified applicants by lottery. Seems a bit more fair IMO.
They like to create a class that is not too lopsided, that has just the right ration of engineers and art majors, athletes and musicians, city residents and rural dwellers, and students from all 50 states. You can't get that from a lottery.
Why should we be ok with such social engineering? Isn’t that so very Machiavellian? Why would society incest that much power in such a small unelected group?
It’s their university. It works well for them. There are a million worse problems in this country than Harvard’s admissions policies.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 21:40
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That has never been true. POC who were QUALIFIED were admitted, it was never about admitting unqualified students. That a racist lie straight from hell!
If they were qualified, they wouldn't have needed affirmative action to admit them.
The whole issue is because there are a lot more students who meet the qualifications for Harvard and would likely to do well at Harvard, than the available slots at Harvard. The underlying issue is that Harvard is ridiculously overvalued by parents whose genius kids would be just as successful with degrees from any of 100 other excellent universities.
It is much more than a plus factor to pick between two equal candidates. Harvard gets a lot of qualified applications, but this ruling is about all colleges even if Harvard is just the plaintiff.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 20:53
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That has never been true. POC who were QUALIFIED were admitted, it was never about admitting unqualified students. That a racist lie straight from hell!
If they were qualified, they wouldn't have needed affirmative action to admit them.
The whole issue is because there are a lot more students who meet the qualifications for Harvard and would likely to do well at Harvard, than the available slots at Harvard. The underlying issue is that Harvard is ridiculously overvalued by parents whose genius kids would be just as successful with degrees from any of 100 other excellent universities.
Then they should admit the qualified applicants by lottery. Seems a bit more fair IMO.
They like to create a class that is not too lopsided, that has just the right ration of engineers and art majors, athletes and musicians, city residents and rural dwellers, and students from all 50 states. You can't get that from a lottery.
actually you can. just divide them in piles according to their majors, and pull the right number from each.
it is important to have the right number in each major, to match the distribution of faculty by major
That doesn’t give you geographical diversity
Anonymous
07/03/2023 20:52
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That has never been true. POC who were QUALIFIED were admitted, it was never about admitting unqualified students. That a racist lie straight from hell!
If they were qualified, they wouldn't have needed affirmative action to admit them.
The whole issue is because there are a lot more students who meet the qualifications for Harvard and would likely to do well at Harvard, than the available slots at Harvard. The underlying issue is that Harvard is ridiculously overvalued by parents whose genius kids would be just as successful with degrees from any of 100 other excellent universities.
Then they should admit the qualified applicants by lottery. Seems a bit more fair IMO.
They like to create a class that is not too lopsided, that has just the right ration of engineers and art majors, athletes and musicians, city residents and rural dwellers, and students from all 50 states. You can't get that from a lottery.
Why should we be ok with such social engineering? Isn’t that so very Machiavellian? Why would society incest that much power in such a small unelected group?
Lol
Anonymous
07/03/2023 20:44
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That has never been true. POC who were QUALIFIED were admitted, it was never about admitting unqualified students. That a racist lie straight from hell!
If they were qualified, they wouldn't have needed affirmative action to admit them.
The whole issue is because there are a lot more students who meet the qualifications for Harvard and would likely to do well at Harvard, than the available slots at Harvard. The underlying issue is that Harvard is ridiculously overvalued by parents whose genius kids would be just as successful with degrees from any of 100 other excellent universities.
Then they should admit the qualified applicants by lottery. Seems a bit more fair IMO.
They like to create a class that is not too lopsided, that has just the right ration of engineers and art majors, athletes and musicians, city residents and rural dwellers, and students from all 50 states. You can't get that from a lottery.
actually you can. just divide them in piles according to their majors, and pull the right number from each.
it is important to have the right number in each major, to match the distribution of faculty by major
Anonymous
07/03/2023 20:39
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That has never been true. POC who were QUALIFIED were admitted, it was never about admitting unqualified students. That a racist lie straight from hell!
If they were qualified, they wouldn't have needed affirmative action to admit them.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/03/us/harvard-alumni-children-affirmative-action.html
A significant number of admissions at Harvard are legacies. Of course less qualified legacies get in. That's why affirmative action was needed, to give POC any chance to attend.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 20:26
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
*invest lol
Anonymous
07/03/2023 20:26
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That has never been true. POC who were QUALIFIED were admitted, it was never about admitting unqualified students. That a racist lie straight from hell!
If they were qualified, they wouldn't have needed affirmative action to admit them.
The whole issue is because there are a lot more students who meet the qualifications for Harvard and would likely to do well at Harvard, than the available slots at Harvard. The underlying issue is that Harvard is ridiculously overvalued by parents whose genius kids would be just as successful with degrees from any of 100 other excellent universities.
Then they should admit the qualified applicants by lottery. Seems a bit more fair IMO.
They like to create a class that is not too lopsided, that has just the right ration of engineers and art majors, athletes and musicians, city residents and rural dwellers, and students from all 50 states. You can't get that from a lottery.
Why should we be ok with such social engineering? Isn’t that so very Machiavellian? Why would society incest that much power in such a small unelected group?
Anonymous
07/03/2023 20:07
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Let’s get after that legacy program. Dismantle it all!
And the recruited athletes.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 20:05
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That has never been true. POC who were QUALIFIED were admitted, it was never about admitting unqualified students. That a racist lie straight from hell!
If they were qualified, they wouldn't have needed affirmative action to admit them.
The whole issue is because there are a lot more students who meet the qualifications for Harvard and would likely to do well at Harvard, than the available slots at Harvard. The underlying issue is that Harvard is ridiculously overvalued by parents whose genius kids would be just as successful with degrees from any of 100 other excellent universities.
Then they should admit the qualified applicants by lottery. Seems a bit more fair IMO.
They like to create a class that is not too lopsided, that has just the right ration of engineers and art majors, athletes and musicians, city residents and rural dwellers, and students from all 50 states. You can't get that from a lottery.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 20:04
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That has never been true. POC who were QUALIFIED were admitted, it was never about admitting unqualified students. That a racist lie straight from hell!
If they were qualified, they wouldn't have needed affirmative action to admit them.
OFGS. Fool. You clearly don't work in admissions. A school like Harvard receives 100x the number of qualified applications than it can admit.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 19:46
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That has never been true. POC who were QUALIFIED were admitted, it was never about admitting unqualified students. That a racist lie straight from hell!
If they were qualified, they wouldn't have needed affirmative action to admit them.
The whole issue is because there are a lot more students who meet the qualifications for Harvard and would likely to do well at Harvard, than the available slots at Harvard. The underlying issue is that Harvard is ridiculously overvalued by parents whose genius kids would be just as successful with degrees from any of 100 other excellent universities.
Then they should admit the qualified applicants by lottery. Seems a bit more fair IMO.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 19:09
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That has never been true. POC who were QUALIFIED were admitted, it was never about admitting unqualified students. That a racist lie straight from hell!
If they were qualified, they wouldn't have needed affirmative action to admit them.
The whole issue is because there are a lot more students who meet the qualifications for Harvard and would likely to do well at Harvard, than the available slots at Harvard. The underlying issue is that Harvard is ridiculously overvalued by parents whose genius kids would be just as successful with degrees from any of 100 other excellent universities.
Anonymous
07/03/2023 18:49
Subject: SCOTUS outlaws race as college admissions factor
Anonymous wrote:That has never been true. POC who were QUALIFIED were admitted, it was never about admitting unqualified students. That a racist lie straight from hell!
If they were qualified, they wouldn't have needed affirmative action to admit them.