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Anonymous wrote:It works best among observant, conservative religions, like Mormons, Catholics, and Jews, where there is a ton of shame around premarital sex (among Mormons, fornication and adultery are very serious sins, second only to murder in gravity). In those religions, young men are highly motivated to marry young so they can have sex. If they come from wealthy families, they receive family support in their twenties as they finish school and have babies. It does often work in these populations.

Many of the trad wife influencers are Mormon, so this is spot on.

And the key word is "wealthy families"

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Anonymous wrote:It works best among observant, conservative religions, like Mormons, Catholics, and Jews, where there is a ton of shame around premarital sex (among Mormons, fornication and adultery are very serious sins, second only to murder in gravity). In those religions, young men are highly motivated to marry young so they can have sex. If they come from wealthy families, they receive family support in their twenties as they finish school and have babies. It does often work in these populations.

Many of the trad wife influencers are Mormon, so this is spot on.

Anonymous wrote:It works best among observant, conservative religions, like Mormons, Catholics, and Jews, where there is a ton of shame around premarital sex (among Mormons, fornication and adultery are very serious sins, second only to murder in gravity). In those religions, young men are highly motivated to marry young so they can have sex. If they come from wealthy families, they receive family support in their twenties as they finish school and have babies. It does often work in these populations.

Anonymous wrote:Funny how the OP mentions how hard it is to raise a family on one income yet constantly gets repeated how “women don’t need men anymore they make their own money”

How many child bearing age women (20’s) are earning 300k+?

Anonymous wrote:I am trad wife and my husband is the complete opposite of red pill. We are both pretty liberal.
He doesn’t demand that I am a housewife. It was a decision we made together. I wanted it and he was ok with that. The traditional “gender roles” come naturally to us and we just go with that.

It works for us without the need to follow some script or ideology.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I would be a "trad wife". Older Gen X, advanced degrees, stay at home mom for the last 15 years. The Great Recession ate my career field, pay scales sank through the floor, we had two little kids, and I decided to stay home with husband's urging and blessing. He makes enough to support us. I have a great life. Maybe I just don't care about money, or my ego. Our kids are teen and young adult, and are doing very well. Tradwife? It's just life, OP. People have to make a decision, and sometimes their decision isn't the same as yours. Live and let live, you know? I don't understand why a woman would have kids not to spend much time with them, and claim that the best example she is setting is to show them how to make money. I'd rather show my kids something else, I guess. I remember going to grade school events during the school day and having teachers ask in a whisper if I would be willing to look at the project of the classmate whose parents weren't there. I'll never forget the grade school girl who burst into tears as I complimented her work. She said through sobs, "I want my mom". She didn't say, "My mom can't be here because she's showing me how to make money at a job." I just said I know and I'm sure she's proud of you. What else can you say. My heart broke for her. I bet her mother never knew that happened, and assumed she was being a great example.

You're not a tradwife, you are a just a regular old SAHM.

It's essentially the same thing--both types of women are fully provided for by their husbands and they stay home and care for kids. UCM sahms will say the difference is they don't obey their husbands but the economic setup is the same and it's a very traditional one.

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Anonymous wrote:Aren't a lot of tradwives and wife social media types actually the primary earners in their families b/c of social media money?

Kinda like Erika Kirk is ceo of turning point and travels a lot to make money and is the opposite of a tradwife?

Reminds me of all of the opinion writers who advocate for "the trades" while sending their own kids to liberal arts colleges.

Anonymous wrote:I guess I would be a "trad wife". Older Gen X, advanced degrees, stay at home mom for the last 15 years. The Great Recession ate my career field, pay scales sank through the floor, we had two little kids, and I decided to stay home with husband's urging and blessing. He makes enough to support us. I have a great life. Maybe I just don't care about money, or my ego. Our kids are teen and young adult, and are doing very well. Tradwife? It's just life, OP. People have to make a decision, and sometimes their decision isn't the same as yours. Live and let live, you know? I don't understand why a woman would have kids not to spend much time with them, and claim that the best example she is setting is to show them how to make money. I'd rather show my kids something else, I guess. I remember going to grade school events during the school day and having teachers ask in a whisper if I would be willing to look at the project of the classmate whose parents weren't there. I'll never forget the grade school girl who burst into tears as I complimented her work. She said through sobs, "I want my mom". She didn't say, "My mom can't be here because she's showing me how to make money at a job." I just said I know and I'm sure she's proud of you. What else can you say. My heart broke for her. I bet her mother never knew that happened, and assumed she was being a great example.

Anonymous wrote: Men in their 20s rarely want to settle down or take anything seriously. So, they need to find much older men? And if the man lies or cheats or uses her, it’s her fault for not being able to read minds and know his intentions? But if she withholds sex and demands marriage…that’s also bad, apparently?

Now the economics of it all. Tradwife at 22? Stay at home? One income, IN THIS ECONOMY? This requires her to only aspire to marry rich. But then it’s her fault for being a gold digger.


One income is simply too risky.

As someone who comes from a background (Mennonite) where trad life was just "life", I have bolded what I consider to be false premises. Yes, if you are using some very online caricature of a "tradwife" then you can use almost any premise and reach almost any conclusion you want.

But from my background, and even from non-Mennonites I grew up with who had traditional values, none of the above is true. The truth, in my experience is this:
-Men in their late teens and early 20s did indeed want to settle down and get married
-Marriages are typically between people in the same age range
-Adultery is he fault of the adulterer, always
-It was expected that, although difficult to achieve, sex would wait until marriage
-You can definitely still do it on one income, but not in the beltway

Anonymous wrote:You’re adding too much bias in your analysis. I think a couple who opts for this lifestyle are not anticipating abuse from the husband. There is nothing inherently wrong with marrying early (after 20), being a virgin and living on one income. In a perfect world, it’s probably the most ideal way to raise a family with one spouse at home. I understand why it doesn’t work for most people, including myself. I would also never encourage my daughter to live like this. I had to be a stay at home mom while my spouse was deployed in the military. When he got back, he became abusive but I had an education to fall back on and now can support myself and kids with one income. But had my spouse been kind and supportive, we could have easily lived on his income and I could have continued to raise my kids. My kids definitely declined in many aspects when I went to work full time, but alas my husband ruined a good thing. I think it’s far too few men who can truly live like this and still respect their wives, but I’m sure there are some out there.