Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:25     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Is any college education worth $400k?

Note: I can report that the tuition is just a part of it. We are spending a small fortune on off-campus housing, food, (ahem) entertainment, etc. in a supposedly affordable area…it’s obscene.

I wonder if the money would have been better spent on investments to supplement my kid’s future earnings following a less expensive college path (eg, community college followed by in-state flagship).
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:23     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:Organic Chem with four hundred people. Great learning environment. TAs can’t speak English. Great learning environment. PhD students conducting espionage. Great learning environment. Corrupt athletic department willing to bend rules, cheat, cover up to protect its cash cow. Great learning environment. You can keep Michigan and the cult of do as we say not as we do. It has become an academic mirage, a shell of its former self.


Well said. Critical thinking is out the window, but a fool and his money are soon parted.


I suggest you just stay at home and leave the critical thinking to those who employ it.


Rest assured, I have most likely come more around than you.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:23     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
The time to form an opinion re: is it worth it, is well before your student applies.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:22     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Anonymous wrote:That's why I chose Michigan State over Michigan. I was able to try out different majors


….since I wasn’t accepted into Ann Arbor…..
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:20     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Organic Chem with four hundred people. Great learning environment. TAs can’t speak English. Great learning environment. PhD students conducting espionage. Great learning environment. Corrupt athletic department willing to bend rules, cheat, cover up to protect its cash cow. Great learning environment. You can keep Michigan and the cult of do as we say not as we do. It has become an academic mirage, a shell of its former self.


Well said. Critical thinking is out the window, but a fool and his money are soon parted.


I suggest you just stay at home and leave the critical thinking to those who employ it.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:19     Subject: Re:Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
There is no school worth $400,000.

If you want to stop the insanity cease all financial aid and require every student to borrow the full COA from the federal government. If their parents give them money to pay tuition, tax students at the rate each gift would trigger as a single paycheck.

Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:15     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
The "select programs" are the reason to choose U of Michigan. Otherwise, no. For a general admit at that OOS price, no. imo
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:15     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Anonymous wrote:Organic Chem with four hundred people. Great learning environment. TAs can’t speak English. Great learning environment. PhD students conducting espionage. Great learning environment. Corrupt athletic department willing to bend rules, cheat, cover up to protect its cash cow. Great learning environment. You can keep Michigan and the cult of do as we say not as we do. It has become an academic mirage, a shell of its former self.


Well said. Critical thinking is out the window, but a fool and his money are soon parted.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:14     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
That's why I chose Michigan State over Michigan. I was able to try out different majors
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:13     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Anonymous wrote:You are admitted into a particular college at U of M. It will not be easy to change majors to something within another college of the university.


Not true. A few select programs are hard transfers, most are not.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:12     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
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Anonymous wrote:There are definitely nova kids that get in Michigan and not UVA


Not this again. You are not saying UVA is as good as UM, I hope.


DP here. No clue but I do know someone who attends Michigan who was denied UVA instate, but she applied RD to UVA.


+1

Sometimes kids don’t get into their flagship and they get into comparable flagships. Because California has such a wonky system, kids sometimes get rejected from UCLA & Berkeley and still get into Michigan. I assume the same happens in Virginia, especially in DC suburbs.


+1

I know two Virginia kids who got rejected from UVA but into Michigan. One is doing Engineering at Michigan.


I know a few too from last year.
One was rejected ED to UVA and got into Michigan EA.
Two others were waitlisted EA to UVA, never got off the UVA waitlist, got into Michigan via the EA waitlist.


UVA is a harder admit.


Which just goes to prove that harder admits don’t necessarily equate to academic quality.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:11     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
You are admitted into a particular college at U of M. It will not be easy to change majors to something within another college of the university.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:09     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Anonymous wrote:Almost 90k for Michigan just does not seem worth it.


So this discussion should have begun, “I U Michigan OOS worth 360?”

I’m sure the responses would be similar, but then we can say it’s more in line with other the two top publics.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:09     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
Anonymous wrote:
I don't get paying so much to be OOS. OOS applicants have to be at the top of the pool to be accepted, but they don't get the benefits of that super-select outcome on the job market.


Say you don’t know anything about UM without saying anything.
Anonymous
Post 12/17/2025 09:08     Subject: Is U Michigan OOS worth $400K?
A Michigan acceptance, a direct admit into certain programs would be well worth it. Just to get-in, no imo