Everyone should wear GPS. It’s cheap. You can also carried flares , etc

Anonymous wrote:https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/nrma-spent-12-months-developing-safety-protocol-deep-dive-before-80yearolds-tragic-lizard-island-cruise-ship-death/news-story/0d42d32d3e05ab9d6eec7838d6162af0?s=09

So the company spent a year on excursion safety protocols for international trips. Not on domestic trips that serve a large share of their passengers.

What's shocking is Coral Expeditions flew the passengers back home before the ship was boarded by investigators. That stinks to high heaven. Wonder if they even told authorities they were doing it.

It doesn't stink.

1) passengers had no responsibility to a fellow guest.

2) The cruise apparently could not continue and authorities can delay you however long they want, meaning an uncertain guest environment for guests remaining on board. People really dislike being "held hostage" and not getting "what they paid for". I was on a cruise once where about 100 people's luggage never reached the ship. There was quite a lot of evident grumpiness with staff at the front desk, in the ship's gift shop, etc. Wealthy older men expect to do what they want.

3) Keeping passengers, who are likely going to get comped for their entire cruise, onboard longer would increase the expense to the company for feeding them, etc.

4) Given the situation, where people didn't even realize this lady was missing, there are few passengers who would have any useful testimony.

It's more reasonable if you look at it from the perspective of a company trying to appease hundreds of angry/disappointed people who are all in close proximity.

https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/nrma-spent-12-months-developing-safety-protocol-deep-dive-before-80yearolds-tragic-lizard-island-cruise-ship-death/news-story/0d42d32d3e05ab9d6eec7838d6162af0?s=09

So the company spent a year on excursion safety protocols for international trips. Not on domestic trips that serve a large share of their passengers.

What's shocking is Coral Expeditions flew the passengers back home before the ship was boarded by investigators. That stinks to high heaven. Wonder if they even told authorities they were doing it.

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Anonymous wrote:She decided to have a little rest while the rest of her group continued the hike. I suspect that she had a medical event and that the outcome might not have changed if they had remembered her while boarding and gone out to look for her immediately.

This is what I was thinking, too. They might find out that she had a medical event that caused her to need to stop and rest. That said, the staff should have been attentive to their customers/clients if this was an event organized by the tour group.

The news I saw said it was extremely hot. But yeah, you keep track of the headcount if you're responsible for these people.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0exr15p3l5o

Authorities have boarded the ship. Only a skeleton crew on board! Passengers flown off days ago from Horn Island. I hope authorities knew that plannabsccould interview them.

Anonymous wrote:You shouldn’t go on a physically demanding cruise at 80. Not where it involves other people. Now the rest of the cruise seems to be canceled? She could have gone on a less demanding one and hiked near her home instead. People are denying the obvious, that they are not as they used to be. See it in too many seniors

This cruise seems like it would actually cater to an older demographic: Wealthy, small ship, so long (60 days) only retirees could go. In any case she was a very fit woman, much more so than younger people. Seems like it was very hot that day and heat can affect and kill young people too. Nobody should hike fully alone, and she precisely was not hiking alone. And you don't leave a hiker alone if they tell you they don't feel well. The ship staff failed her.

You shouldn’t go on a physically demanding cruise at 80. Not where it involves other people. Now the rest of the cruise seems to be canceled? She could have gone on a less demanding one and hiked near her home instead. People are denying the obvious, that they are not as they used to be. See it in too many seniors

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Anonymous wrote:I think it’s fine. She was a ripe old age. Everyone is going to die someday, and she died doing what she loved. Even if they had done the headcount and gone back she might have already been dead. People make such a fuss about these incidents. Mistakes happen.

Wait till you or someone you care about gets killed in a car crash or from a medical oopsie. Mistakes happen, huh?

That would be a tragedy now because I am young with young kids. If it happened when I was 81 it would be sad for my immediate family, but it wouldn’t be a tragedy that people on the opposite side of the world need to care about.

So you don’t think it’s tragic for an old woman to die alone forgotten on an island. Wow - such an empty soul.

+1 Something very wrong with that poster. Can't imagine feeling that way about my parents or other elderly relatives.

It's the hubris of youth.

She did. Reportedly was "asked to make her way back to the beach" as the rest went on.

She was probably lagging behind a relatively large group so nobody really noticed that she sat down to rest as the group kept going.

And its not like she objected or asked to return to the ship or told anyone she felt ill.

Sounds like issues.
https://thenightly.com.au/australia/queensland/lizard-island-cruise-coral-expeditions-insider-alleges-staff-shortages-pressure-before-suzanne-rees-death-c-20557438

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like she turned around as the trail was too difficult and everyone thought she would head back down the trail to the ship but for some unknown reason she went off trail and didn't go back down to the ship. Either she got lost or was disoriented or was already suffering a medical event. I don't think the hikers did anything wrong. I am sure it isn't uncommon for people to turn back on hikes and go back to the ship - by parents did that twice on excursions on their cruise.

They were wrong for not doing a count and realizing she was missing. We don't know when or why she died so it isn't clear if she could have lived if they had found her before sailing or not.

She very likely died immediately, probably a stroke or something of the sort. There's no other good explanation why she wouldn't have been able to stay alive overnight.

This or foul play.

Probably a boulder.

She probably stumbled across a growop and was killed to protect the location. The captain is smuggling the drugs off the island.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like she turned around as the trail was too difficult and everyone thought she would head back down the trail to the ship but for some unknown reason she went off trail and didn't go back down to the ship. Either she got lost or was disoriented or was already suffering a medical event. I don't think the hikers did anything wrong. I am sure it isn't uncommon for people to turn back on hikes and go back to the ship - by parents did that twice on excursions on their cruise.

They were wrong for not doing a count and realizing she was missing. We don't know when or why she died so it isn't clear if she could have lived if they had found her before sailing or not.

She very likely died immediately, probably a stroke or something of the sort. There's no other good explanation why she wouldn't have been able to stay alive overnight.

This or foul play.

Probably a boulder.

She fell off a cliff. The excursion was listed as “a very difficult hike requiring a high level of fitness and good balance.” It was an organized hike, including staff members from the cruise ship. At 80, she was still healthy, active and hiked often. Not frail. But she was not feeling well, and they left her.

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Anonymous wrote:It sounds like she turned around as the trail was too difficult and everyone thought she would head back down the trail to the ship but for some unknown reason she went off trail and didn't go back down to the ship. Either she got lost or was disoriented or was already suffering a medical event. I don't think the hikers did anything wrong. I am sure it isn't uncommon for people to turn back on hikes and go back to the ship - by parents did that twice on excursions on their cruise.

They were wrong for not doing a count and realizing she was missing. We don't know when or why she died so it isn't clear if she could have lived if they had found her before sailing or not.

She very likely died immediately, probably a stroke or something of the sort. There's no other good explanation why she wouldn't have been able to stay alive overnight.

This or foul play.