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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Per DDOT:

Three of the five zip codes (20019, 20020, and 20032) with the most ATE tickets are located in Wards 7
and 8, which disproportionately impacts Black drivers and puts additional pressure on residents who are
already facing financial struggles due to structural racism. Wards 7 and 8 have the largest share of Black
residents, lowest median household incomes, and the highest poverty rates in the District. Ward 7 is 86
percent Black, has a median household income of $56,044, and a 25 percent poverty rate. The median
household income for Ward 8 is $42,697 and 84 percent of residents are Black. Ward 8 has the highest
poverty rate in D.C., at 28.7 percent. Residents of these wards are also more car dependent than other wards.
More than 50 percent of Ward 7 and 8 residents drive to work and between 28 and 34 percent use public
transit. Wards 7 and 8 also have the lowest rate of employees who can work from home.

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Anonymous wrote:The contractor leasing the equipment is making $6.3 million over two years.

https://legiscan.com/DC/text/PR25-0202/id/2808247

DC has a whole traffic camera industrial complex. It's like a cottage industry.

The number of tickets being issued is ridiculous considering how small DC is. But the contractors (and their shareholders) make money. The politicians collect revenue, not to mention campaign contributions from the contractors. DDOT has a reason for its huge budget. The War on Bikes loonies enjoy average drivers being carpet bombed with tickets that, probably in the vast majority of cases, no human cop would ever issue.

And yet, I almost never get tickets. Because I seldom speed in the city and I come to a full and complete stop at stop signs. I also use mapping programs that show me where cameras are. Just follow the law and you'll be good.

The view was Ward 3, where traffic cameras are few and far between.

I'm not sure if:
"The view was Ward 3" is a typo? But I don't live in Ward 3. Or go there much.

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Anonymous wrote:The contractor leasing the equipment is making $6.3 million over two years.

https://legiscan.com/DC/text/PR25-0202/id/2808247

DC has a whole traffic camera industrial complex. It's like a cottage industry.

The number of tickets being issued is ridiculous considering how small DC is. But the contractors (and their shareholders) make money. The politicians collect revenue, not to mention campaign contributions from the contractors. DDOT has a reason for its huge budget. The War on Bikes loonies enjoy average drivers being carpet bombed with tickets that, probably in the vast majority of cases, no human cop would ever issue.

And yet, I almost never get tickets. Because I seldom speed in the city and I come to a full and complete stop at stop signs. I also use mapping programs that show me where cameras are. Just follow the law and you'll be good.

The view was Ward 3, where traffic cameras are few and far between.

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Anonymous wrote:The contractor leasing the equipment is making $6.3 million over two years.

https://legiscan.com/DC/text/PR25-0202/id/2808247

DC has a whole traffic camera industrial complex. It's like a cottage industry.

The number of tickets being issued is ridiculous considering how small DC is. But the contractors (and their shareholders) make money. The politicians collect revenue, not to mention campaign contributions from the contractors. DDOT has a reason for its huge budget. The War on Bikes loonies enjoy average drivers being carpet bombed with tickets that, probably in the vast majority of cases, no human cop would ever issue.

And yet, I almost never get tickets. Because I seldom speed in the city and I come to a full and complete stop at stop signs. I also use mapping programs that show me where cameras are. Just follow the law and you'll be good.

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Anonymous wrote:The contractor leasing the equipment is making $6.3 million over two years.

https://legiscan.com/DC/text/PR25-0202/id/2808247

DC has a whole traffic camera industrial complex. It's like a cottage industry.

The number of tickets being issued is ridiculous considering how small DC is. But the contractors (and their shareholders) make money. The politicians collect revenue, not to mention campaign contributions from the contractors. DDOT has a reason for its huge budget. The War on Bikes loonies enjoy average drivers being carpet bombed with tickets that, probably in the vast majority of cases, no human cop would ever issue.

Anonymous wrote:The contractor leasing the equipment is making $6.3 million over two years.

https://legiscan.com/DC/text/PR25-0202/id/2808247

DC has a whole traffic camera industrial complex. It's like a cottage industry.

The contractor leasing the equipment is making $6.3 million over two years.

https://legiscan.com/DC/text/PR25-0202/id/2808247

Lots of interesting info on this subject here:

https://ggwash.org/view/97212/smile-youre-on-camera-a-deep-dive-on-automated-traffic-enforcement-data

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Anonymous wrote:I speed a lot on DC roads — the speed limits have been lowered so much over the past few years to really dumb levels. Never gotten a ticket. I mean, how hard is it to learn where the cameras are and just slow down in those specific locations? The number of tickets just shows how dumb people are because they don’t want to spend any brainpower figuring out how where the cameras are. It’s really a stupidity tax.

I live in DC, drive DC roads regularly, and never feel the need to speed whether there is a speed camera around or not. I don’t speed because doing so endangers my life, the lives of other people in my vehicle, and other road users. And that is not a price I’m willing to pay to get to the next red light a few seconds earlier. We’d have a lot fewer accidents, a lot lower insurance premiums, and thousands of fewer traffic deaths if more people weren’t so selfish as to privilege their own convenience over other people’s lives. In other words, SLOW THE F$&K DOWN!

Driving is inherently dangerous, and there's absolutely no data that shows that reducing speed limits on many roads from 35 to 25 resulted in any improvement in safety. If you're really concerned about your life, the lives of your passengers, and other drivers, the solution is not to obey the 25 speed limit and act as though you're better off than the person going 35; it's to avoid driving altogether.

You lazy stupid lying dolt: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002243752400152X

You bumbling imbecile -- my post was referencing DC, as many clear by the fact that I referenced the reduction from 35 to 25. I wasn't referencing roads in Greece, which are the subject of that study. Where's the data from DC? It doesn't exist, you gaslighting lunatic.

You’re the kind of person who refuses to allow their child to receive the polio vaccine because the latest batch hasn’t been subject to a peer-reviewed double-blind randomized controlled trial on their specific kid - never mind that is logically impossible - and therefore cannot possible be safe. It pains me to realize that a byproduct of technological progress is to arm foolish pelicans like you with a keyboard and an audience, some of whom are so deficient in critical reason as to gulp down your tripe.

Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

A city council member picks up the phone and calls DDOT....

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

It's extremely rate for anyone of any color in Washington D.C. to be killed by a speeding driver.

I knew someone who was killed in DC - on a crosswalk - by a speeding driver who had amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines. You can her death “rate” (sic) and advocate against policies that make our streets safer. I will call her death her preventable and advocate for policies that will prevent DC residents from being frightened, injured, maimed, and killed by reckless drivers.

The driver in this scenario is an extreme outlier. Most people in this city are perfectly safe drivers. The question is why DDOT is burying the city in 3 million tickets when the problem is a tiny number of reckless drivers. It's the traffic equivalent of stationing National Guard troops on every corner in the city because some guy somewhere stabbed someone.

Are you really so dense that you believe those 3 million tickets are uniformly distributed across the population? No, a relatively small number of extremely careless drivers get the tickets. They are outliers and that’s the point. Were their dangerous behavior being appropriately sanctioned victims like Patricia Bullinger would still be alive.

Aside from there being zero evidence that's the case, it's clear you don't drive and also that your math skills are nonexistent. I dont know what you mean by a "tiny" number of drivers but do the math. Do you think those 3.3 million tickets went to, like, 100 people? They'd have to get 90 tickets a day, every single day of the year, for the math to work. Oh you meant 500 people? Doesn't really seem "tiny" but the math is still silly. They'd have to get 18 tickets every single day. 1000 people? 1000 extremely careless drivers seems like a major problem, but I'm pretty sure there's not a single person who gets 9 tickets every single day.

The DC lab study identified 100,000 high risk drivers.

Seems a little ridiculous, no? How do so many supposedly high risk drivers produce so few traffic fatalities? Also, exactly how many drivers do you think there are in DC?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

It's extremely rate for anyone of any color in Washington D.C. to be killed by a speeding driver.

I knew someone who was killed in DC - on a crosswalk - by a speeding driver who had amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines. You can her death “rate” (sic) and advocate against policies that make our streets safer. I will call her death her preventable and advocate for policies that will prevent DC residents from being frightened, injured, maimed, and killed by reckless drivers.

The driver in this scenario is an extreme outlier. Most people in this city are perfectly safe drivers. The question is why DDOT is burying the city in 3 million tickets when the problem is a tiny number of reckless drivers. It's the traffic equivalent of stationing National Guard troops on every corner in the city because some guy somewhere stabbed someone.

Are you really so dense that you believe those 3 million tickets are uniformly distributed across the population? No, a relatively small number of extremely careless drivers get the tickets. They are outliers and that’s the point. Were their dangerous behavior being appropriately sanctioned victims like Patricia Bullinger would still be alive.

Aside from there being zero evidence that's the case, it's clear you don't drive and also that your math skills are nonexistent. I dont know what you mean by a "tiny" number of drivers but do the math. Do you think those 3.3 million tickets went to, like, 100 people? They'd have to get 90 tickets a day, every single day of the year, for the math to work. Oh you meant 500 people? Doesn't really seem "tiny" but the math is still silly. They'd have to get 18 tickets every single day. 1000 people? 1000 extremely careless drivers seems like a major problem, but I'm pretty sure there's not a single person who gets 9 tickets every single day.

The DC lab study identified 100,000 high risk drivers.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you know there's almost no stop sign cameras west of the park? I wonder how that happens....

Wealthiest neighborhoods in DC have little to no traffic cameras. For instance, you will never catch a traffic camera on Chain Bridge Road.

Drivers in black neighborhoods are 17 times more likely to be ticketed in DC than drivers in white neighborhoods.

OK. How many times are drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in black neighborhoods more likely to be killed or injured by traffic violence than drivers, pedestrians, and cyclists in white neighborhoods?

You don’t know, do you?

If only you cared as much about those whose lives are shattered by reckless drivers as much as those reckless drivers who get ticketed.

It's extremely rate for anyone of any color in Washington D.C. to be killed by a speeding driver.

I knew someone who was killed in DC - on a crosswalk - by a speeding driver who had amassed thousands of dollars in unpaid fines. You can her death “rate” (sic) and advocate against policies that make our streets safer. I will call her death her preventable and advocate for policies that will prevent DC residents from being frightened, injured, maimed, and killed by reckless drivers.

The driver in this scenario is an extreme outlier. Most people in this city are perfectly safe drivers. The question is why DDOT is burying the city in 3 million tickets when the problem is a tiny number of reckless drivers. It's the traffic equivalent of stationing National Guard troops on every corner in the city because some guy somewhere stabbed someone.

Are you really so dense that you believe those 3 million tickets are uniformly distributed across the population? No, a relatively small number of extremely careless drivers get the tickets. They are outliers and that’s the point. Were their dangerous behavior being appropriately sanctioned victims like Patricia Bullinger would still be alive.

Aside from there being zero evidence that's the case, it's clear you don't drive and also that your math skills are nonexistent. I dont know what you mean by a "tiny" number of drivers but do the math. Do you think those 3.3 million tickets went to, like, 100 people? They'd have to get 90 tickets a day, every single day of the year, for the math to work. Oh you meant 500 people? Doesn't really seem "tiny" but the math is still silly. They'd have to get 18 tickets every single day. 1000 people? 1000 extremely careless drivers seems like a major problem, but I'm pretty sure there's not a single person who gets 9 tickets every single day.

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Anonymous wrote:I speed a lot on DC roads — the speed limits have been lowered so much over the past few years to really dumb levels. Never gotten a ticket. I mean, how hard is it to learn where the cameras are and just slow down in those specific locations? The number of tickets just shows how dumb people are because they don’t want to spend any brainpower figuring out how where the cameras are. It’s really a stupidity tax.

I live in DC, drive DC roads regularly, and never feel the need to speed whether there is a speed camera around or not. I don’t speed because doing so endangers my life, the lives of other people in my vehicle, and other road users. And that is not a price I’m willing to pay to get to the next red light a few seconds earlier. We’d have a lot fewer accidents, a lot lower insurance premiums, and thousands of fewer traffic deaths if more people weren’t so selfish as to privilege their own convenience over other people’s lives. In other words, SLOW THE F$&K DOWN!

Driving is inherently dangerous, and there's absolutely no data that shows that reducing speed limits on many roads from 35 to 25 resulted in any improvement in safety. If you're really concerned about your life, the lives of your passengers, and other drivers, the solution is not to obey the 25 speed limit and act as though you're better off than the person going 35; it's to avoid driving altogether.

You lazy stupid lying dolt: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002243752400152X

You bumbling imbecile -- my post was referencing DC, as many clear by the fact that I referenced the reduction from 35 to 25. I wasn't referencing roads in Greece, which are the subject of that study. Where's the data from DC? It doesn't exist, you gaslighting lunatic.

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Anonymous wrote:I speed a lot on DC roads — the speed limits have been lowered so much over the past few years to really dumb levels. Never gotten a ticket. I mean, how hard is it to learn where the cameras are and just slow down in those specific locations? The number of tickets just shows how dumb people are because they don’t want to spend any brainpower figuring out how where the cameras are. It’s really a stupidity tax.

I live in DC, drive DC roads regularly, and never feel the need to speed whether there is a speed camera around or not. I don’t speed because doing so endangers my life, the lives of other people in my vehicle, and other road users. And that is not a price I’m willing to pay to get to the next red light a few seconds earlier. We’d have a lot fewer accidents, a lot lower insurance premiums, and thousands of fewer traffic deaths if more people weren’t so selfish as to privilege their own convenience over other people’s lives. In other words, SLOW THE F$&K DOWN!

Driving is inherently dangerous, and there's absolutely no data that shows that reducing speed limits on many roads from 35 to 25 resulted in any improvement in safety. If you're really concerned about your life, the lives of your passengers, and other drivers, the solution is not to obey the 25 speed limit and act as though you're better off than the person going 35; it's to avoid driving altogether.

You lazy stupid lying dolt: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002243752400152X

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