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Anonymous wrote:Heck no. They are idiots for saying so. There are many reasons to do sports unrelated to being recruited to play in college.

+ 1. Sports demonstrates being able to operate on a team, discipline/purpose/organization skills (especially if coupled with good grades), leadership if they rise to Captain, and the ability to deal with adversity when losing. That along with the physical benefits makes sports great for life holistically, not just in college apps. It would be one thing if you kid was doing it for a college advantage but if they really love it and played the sports their whole life it would be a huge negative to take it away.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s true…it’s not an important EC.

That's true. From an admissions standpoint, sports are an irrelevant EC for all non-recruitable students. But sports are obviously important for the applicants themselves - being part of a team, mental health, conditioning, self-discipline etc. I'd certainly put it down on an application. But all students gunning for the Ivies and other top 20 schools need to make the decision whether the time commitment for varsity sports is worth the opportunity cost. Junior year in particular is intense. There are only so many hours in a day. And sometimes stepping down to rec sports is the wiser course of action if their heart is set on gaining admission to a highly selective college. Harvard and Stanford really don't care if an un-recruitable applicant is spending 20 hours a week on crew or soccer. It's the rest of the app that matters.

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Anonymous wrote:Sports are a huge commitment.
My son has practices basically every single day (5 days + a weekend in Fall and most days in Spring between club and HS workouts). It would be insane not to account for this type of commitment to shed light on what an accomplishment his 4.0 is given he has compromised free time.

Please.

Totally agree, my student also has a number of academic and extracurricular accomplishments that are even more impressive considering he is a three sport athlete is a demanding high school athletic conference.

I am not disagreeing with you, but something doesn't add up.

If you are in a demanding DMV athletic conference...let's take WCAC...and you are a varsity, 3 sport athlete (nearly impossible, but go with me)...well, you are getting recruited for something. I guess if you only participate in no-cut sports like XCountry, Indoor Track and Track...well maybe.

There are very few demanding HS athletic conferences in the entire US...so maybe that is the disconnect.

It’s Baltimore’s private school MIAA A conference, which has teams ranked in the top ten nationally for soccer, football, squash, and lacrosse, among others. And plenty of kids play on varsity teams in those sports who are not recruited so not sure where you are going with that.

Which three sports (BTW…squash really can’t be included here)? I don’t know a single Spaulding baseball varsity starter that plays three sports…almost none play two. Nearly all the staters are committed.

I know the Gilman football QB played another sport and is in fact a D1 commit.

There is no varsity starter in three sports that isn’t a commit for one of them. Again…a starter not someone who just makes the team.

BTW…the league doesn’t have a top ranked football team. Good Counsel is the only team in the DMV ranked in the top 30. Soccer doesn’t matter at all because literally all top HS aged athletes play for academy teams and can’t play for their HS teams.

True and it’s 4 nights of practice and games with lots of travel, showcases u sometimes need to miss school. It is a huge time commitment. This is mainly the boys’ side though with mlsnext, not the ecnl teams. My sons both dropped HS soccer after sophomore year cause you can’t do both.

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Anonymous wrote:Sports are a huge commitment.
My son has practices basically every single day (5 days + a weekend in Fall and most days in Spring between club and HS workouts). It would be insane not to account for this type of commitment to shed light on what an accomplishment his 4.0 is given he has compromised free time.

Please.

Totally agree, my student also has a number of academic and extracurricular accomplishments that are even more impressive considering he is a three sport athlete is a demanding high school athletic conference.

I am not disagreeing with you, but something doesn't add up.

If you are in a demanding DMV athletic conference...let's take WCAC...and you are a varsity, 3 sport athlete (nearly impossible, but go with me)...well, you are getting recruited for something. I guess if you only participate in no-cut sports like XCountry, Indoor Track and Track...well maybe.

There are very few demanding HS athletic conferences in the entire US...so maybe that is the disconnect.

It’s Baltimore’s private school MIAA A conference, which has teams ranked in the top ten nationally for soccer, football, squash, and lacrosse, among others. And plenty of kids play on varsity teams in those sports who are not recruited so not sure where you are going with that.

Which three sports (BTW…squash really can’t be included here)? I don’t know a single Spaulding baseball varsity starter that plays three sports…almost none play two. Nearly all the staters are committed.

I know the Gilman football QB played another sport and is in fact a D1 commit.

There is no varsity starter in three sports that isn’t a commit for one of them. Again…a starter not someone who just makes the team.

BTW…the league doesn’t have a top ranked football team. Good Counsel is the only team in the DMV ranked in the top 30. Soccer doesn’t matter at all because literally all top HS aged athletes play for academy teams and can’t play for their HS teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Sports are a huge commitment.
My son has practices basically every single day (5 days + a weekend in Fall and most days in Spring between club and HS workouts). It would be insane not to account for this type of commitment to shed light on what an accomplishment his 4.0 is given he has compromised free time.

Please.

Totally agree, my student also has a number of academic and extracurricular accomplishments that are even more impressive considering he is a three sport athlete is a demanding high school athletic conference.

I am not disagreeing with you, but something doesn't add up.

If you are in a demanding DMV athletic conference...let's take WCAC...and you are a varsity, 3 sport athlete (nearly impossible, but go with me)...well, you are getting recruited for something. I guess if you only participate in no-cut sports like XCountry, Indoor Track and Track...well maybe.

There are very few demanding HS athletic conferences in the entire US...so maybe that is the disconnect.

It’s Baltimore’s private school MIAA A conference, which has teams ranked in the top ten nationally for soccer, football, squash, and lacrosse, among others. And plenty of kids play on varsity teams in those sports who are not recruited so not sure where you are going with that.

Which three sports (BTW…squash really can’t be included here)? I don’t know a single Spaulding baseball varsity starter that plays three sports…almost none play two. Nearly all the staters are committed.

I know the Gilman football QB played another sport and is in fact a D1 commit.

There is no varsity starter in three sports that isn’t a commit for one of them. Again…a starter not someone who just makes the team.

BTW…the league doesn’t have a top ranked football team. Good Counsel is the only team in the DMV ranked in the top 30. Soccer doesn’t matter at all because literally all top HS aged athletes play for academy teams and can’t play for their HS teams.

Calvert Hall was ranked the top soccer team in the country a year or two ago. The Academy kids here get waivers to play, it’s very common. In any case, you don’t know as much about the teams here as you’d like to think.

It’s also strange that you think sports participation counts only if a kid is best on the team. Yes, for recruiting purposes. But otherwise, no. Making varsity in multiple sports is itself an accomplishment, and a huge commitment of time.

Adding at most of the schools in this conference for team sports, at least half of the varsity starter (or more) aren’t D1 recruits. Including baseball. If that was the case at Spaulding this year, it’s a rare exception.

I understand that…but nobody is a three sport varsity athlete at one of these schools, actually plays, and happens to be average in all three (yet again, gets to play).

I get there are plenty of kids playing one sport and aren’t recruited.

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Anonymous wrote:Sports are a huge commitment.
My son has practices basically every single day (5 days + a weekend in Fall and most days in Spring between club and HS workouts). It would be insane not to account for this type of commitment to shed light on what an accomplishment his 4.0 is given he has compromised free time.

Please.

Totally agree, my student also has a number of academic and extracurricular accomplishments that are even more impressive considering he is a three sport athlete is a demanding high school athletic conference.

I am not disagreeing with you, but something doesn't add up.

If you are in a demanding DMV athletic conference...let's take WCAC...and you are a varsity, 3 sport athlete (nearly impossible, but go with me)...well, you are getting recruited for something. I guess if you only participate in no-cut sports like XCountry, Indoor Track and Track...well maybe.

There are very few demanding HS athletic conferences in the entire US...so maybe that is the disconnect.

It’s Baltimore’s private school MIAA A conference, which has teams ranked in the top ten nationally for soccer, football, squash, and lacrosse, among others. And plenty of kids play on varsity teams in those sports who are not recruited so not sure where you are going with that.

Which three sports (BTW…squash really can’t be included here)? I don’t know a single Spaulding baseball varsity starter that plays three sports…almost none play two. Nearly all the staters are committed.

I know the Gilman football QB played another sport and is in fact a D1 commit.

There is no varsity starter in three sports that isn’t a commit for one of them. Again…a starter not someone who just makes the team.

BTW…the league doesn’t have a top ranked football team. Good Counsel is the only team in the DMV ranked in the top 30. Soccer doesn’t matter at all because literally all top HS aged athletes play for academy teams and can’t play for their HS teams.

Calvert Hall was ranked the top soccer team in the country a year or two ago. The Academy kids here get waivers to play, it’s very common. In any case, you don’t know as much about the teams here as you’d like to think.

It’s also strange that you think sports participation counts only if a kid is best on the team. Yes, for recruiting purposes. But otherwise, no. Making varsity in multiple sports is itself an accomplishment, and a huge commitment of time.

Adding at most of the schools in this conference for team sports, at least half of the varsity starter (or more) aren’t D1 recruits. Including baseball. If that was the case at Spaulding this year, it’s a rare exception.

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Anonymous wrote:Sports are a huge commitment.
My son has practices basically every single day (5 days + a weekend in Fall and most days in Spring between club and HS workouts). It would be insane not to account for this type of commitment to shed light on what an accomplishment his 4.0 is given he has compromised free time.

Please.

Totally agree, my student also has a number of academic and extracurricular accomplishments that are even more impressive considering he is a three sport athlete is a demanding high school athletic conference.

I am not disagreeing with you, but something doesn't add up.

If you are in a demanding DMV athletic conference...let's take WCAC...and you are a varsity, 3 sport athlete (nearly impossible, but go with me)...well, you are getting recruited for something. I guess if you only participate in no-cut sports like XCountry, Indoor Track and Track...well maybe.

There are very few demanding HS athletic conferences in the entire US...so maybe that is the disconnect.

It’s Baltimore’s private school MIAA A conference, which has teams ranked in the top ten nationally for soccer, football, squash, and lacrosse, among others. And plenty of kids play on varsity teams in those sports who are not recruited so not sure where you are going with that.

Which three sports (BTW…squash really can’t be included here)? I don’t know a single Spaulding baseball varsity starter that plays three sports…almost none play two. Nearly all the staters are committed.

I know the Gilman football QB played another sport and is in fact a D1 commit.

There is no varsity starter in three sports that isn’t a commit for one of them. Again…a starter not someone who just makes the team.

BTW…the league doesn’t have a top ranked football team. Good Counsel is the only team in the DMV ranked in the top 30. Soccer doesn’t matter at all because literally all top HS aged athletes play for academy teams and can’t play for their HS teams.

Calvert Hall was ranked the top soccer team in the country a year or two ago. The Academy kids here get waivers to play, it’s very common. In any case, you don’t know as much about the teams here as you’d like to think.

It’s also strange that you think sports participation counts only if a kid is best on the team. Yes, for recruiting purposes. But otherwise, no. Making varsity in multiple sports is itself an accomplishment, and a huge commitment of time.

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Anonymous wrote:Sports are a huge commitment.
My son has practices basically every single day (5 days + a weekend in Fall and most days in Spring between club and HS workouts). It would be insane not to account for this type of commitment to shed light on what an accomplishment his 4.0 is given he has compromised free time.

Please.

Totally agree, my student also has a number of academic and extracurricular accomplishments that are even more impressive considering he is a three sport athlete is a demanding high school athletic conference.

I am not disagreeing with you, but something doesn't add up.

If you are in a demanding DMV athletic conference...let's take WCAC...and you are a varsity, 3 sport athlete (nearly impossible, but go with me)...well, you are getting recruited for something. I guess if you only participate in no-cut sports like XCountry, Indoor Track and Track...well maybe.

There are very few demanding HS athletic conferences in the entire US...so maybe that is the disconnect.

It’s Baltimore’s private school MIAA A conference, which has teams ranked in the top ten nationally for soccer, football, squash, and lacrosse, among others. And plenty of kids play on varsity teams in those sports who are not recruited so not sure where you are going with that.

Which three sports (BTW…squash really can’t be included here)? I don’t know a single Spaulding baseball varsity starter that plays three sports…almost none play two. Nearly all the staters are committed.

I know the Gilman football QB played another sport and is in fact a D1 commit.

There is no varsity starter in three sports that isn’t a commit for one of them. Again…a starter not someone who just makes the team.

BTW…the league doesn’t have a top ranked football team. Good Counsel is the only team in the DMV ranked in the top 30. Soccer doesn’t matter at all because literally all top HS aged athletes play for academy teams and can’t play for their HS teams.

Calvert Hall was ranked the top soccer team in the country a year or two ago. The Academy kids here get waivers to play, it’s very common. In any case, you don’t know as much about the teams here as you’d like to think.

It’s also strange that you think sports participation counts only if a kid is best on the team. Yes, for recruiting purposes. But otherwise, no. Making varsity in multiple sports is itself an accomplishment, and a huge commitment of time.

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Anonymous wrote:Sports are a huge commitment.
My son has practices basically every single day (5 days + a weekend in Fall and most days in Spring between club and HS workouts). It would be insane not to account for this type of commitment to shed light on what an accomplishment his 4.0 is given he has compromised free time.

Please.

Totally agree, my student also has a number of academic and extracurricular accomplishments that are even more impressive considering he is a three sport athlete is a demanding high school athletic conference.

I am not disagreeing with you, but something doesn't add up.

If you are in a demanding DMV athletic conference...let's take WCAC...and you are a varsity, 3 sport athlete (nearly impossible, but go with me)...well, you are getting recruited for something. I guess if you only participate in no-cut sports like XCountry, Indoor Track and Track...well maybe.

There are very few demanding HS athletic conferences in the entire US...so maybe that is the disconnect.

It’s Baltimore’s private school MIAA A conference, which has teams ranked in the top ten nationally for soccer, football, squash, and lacrosse, among others. And plenty of kids play on varsity teams in those sports who are not recruited so not sure where you are going with that.

Which three sports (BTW…squash really can’t be included here)? I don’t know a single Spaulding baseball varsity starter that plays three sports…almost none play two. Nearly all the staters are committed.

I know the Gilman football QB played another sport and is in fact a D1 commit.

There is no varsity starter in three sports that isn’t a commit for one of them. Again…a starter not someone who just makes the team.

BTW…the league doesn’t have a top ranked football team. Good Counsel is the only team in the DMV ranked in the top 30. Soccer doesn’t matter at all because literally all top HS aged athletes play for academy teams and can’t play for their HS teams.

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Anonymous wrote:Sports are a huge commitment.
My son has practices basically every single day (5 days + a weekend in Fall and most days in Spring between club and HS workouts). It would be insane not to account for this type of commitment to shed light on what an accomplishment his 4.0 is given he has compromised free time.

Please.

Totally agree, my student also has a number of academic and extracurricular accomplishments that are even more impressive considering he is a three sport athlete is a demanding high school athletic conference.

I am not disagreeing with you, but something doesn't add up.

If you are in a demanding DMV athletic conference...let's take WCAC...and you are a varsity, 3 sport athlete (nearly impossible, but go with me)...well, you are getting recruited for something. I guess if you only participate in no-cut sports like XCountry, Indoor Track and Track...well maybe.

There are very few demanding HS athletic conferences in the entire US...so maybe that is the disconnect.

It’s Baltimore’s private school MIAA A conference, which has teams ranked in the top ten nationally for soccer, football, squash, and lacrosse, among others. And plenty of kids play on varsity teams in those sports who are not recruited so not sure where you are going with that.

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Anonymous wrote:Sports are a huge commitment.
My son has practices basically every single day (5 days + a weekend in Fall and most days in Spring between club and HS workouts). It would be insane not to account for this type of commitment to shed light on what an accomplishment his 4.0 is given he has compromised free time.

Please.

Totally agree, my student also has a number of academic and extracurricular accomplishments that are even more impressive considering he is a three sport athlete is a demanding high school athletic conference.

I am not disagreeing with you, but something doesn't add up.

If you are in a demanding DMV athletic conference...let's take WCAC...and you are a varsity, 3 sport athlete (nearly impossible, but go with me)...well, you are getting recruited for something. I guess if you only participate in no-cut sports like XCountry, Indoor Track and Track...well maybe.

There are very few demanding HS athletic conferences in the entire US...so maybe that is the disconnect.

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Anonymous wrote:I was disappointed to read this article from Ivy Coach that says that if your child is not going to be a recruited athlete, your child should not include their sports on the common app. I see the argument that it's not going to help my DC to stand out from the application pool and therefore, DC needs to focus on other ECs, but to say that an activity that takes up over 15 hours a week of DC's time each week (my DC plays on two school varsity teams, but isn't good enough to be a recruited athlete) seems like bad advice to me. I've heard this from other college counselors too, but I am not going to have DC quit sports - exercise is good for physical health and mental health and has enabled my otherwise quiet DC to become friends with lots of terrific kids from DC's school.

https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/college-admissions/playing-sports-college-applications/

Does anyone here think that DC should actually leave two varsity sports teams off DC's college application? I have otherwise appreciated Ivy Coach's articles but now I'm really questioning their judgment and thinking it's bad advice.

Abject, unmitigated idiocy. Participation in HS athletics is often the great differentiator for the exceptionally high-achieving students, and not just at the recruited athlete level. Think of the time commitment, resolve, and grit that are necessary in individual and especially team sports - we're seriously going to pretend that membership or participation in the NHS, the Key Club, SADD and a random Rubik's cube competition are the signals that AOs are looking for ... ?

Student A: 4.00 unweighted, 15 AP classes, all 5s and 1 - 2 4s, 1600 SAT and/or 36 ACT, along with 12 - 15 ECs / awards that mostly align with their college major interests and help to achieve a cohesive narrative in their essays, plus they are a four-year varsity athlete who served as captain senior year and won a state title.

Student B: 4.00 unweighted, 15 AP classes, all 5s and 1 - 2 4s, 1600 SAT and/or 36 ACT, along with 16 - 20 ECs / awards that mostly align with their college major interests and help to achieve a cohesive narrative in their essays.

Student A absolutely trounces Student B in the eyes of AOs ... arguing otherwise is just absurd at this point.

The flaw in the above is that there is only room for 10 ECs to be listed. The article argues that basically ALL if them should tell the same story. If you have room to list a sport you should list it, but if you have room to list a sport you may be in trouble anyways when admissions offices want spiky applicants.

I've been an ivy interviewer for a few years. I've seen hordes of well rounded students bite the dust, and only one *extremely* spiky student get accepted.

The article is extreme, maybe too much, but so is this admissions climate.

Regarding the space available, the common app provides room for up to ten ECs and five awards, as I recall. UC app provides 20 spaces for both, combined.

The way my son dealt with these limitations is by consolidating his HS team, regional and national club teams, and USA baseball appointment to one EC slot. He also consolidated awards similarly. It required a little extra work, but it allowed him to demonstrate significant time commitments in both research and athletics that aligned with his intended major and that complemented his overall academic profile.

How is your kid not a recruited athlete? I don't know a single USA Baseball appointee that isn't...some of those kids are going in the first couple rounds of the MLB draft. Nearly all are Power 5 D1 commits.

Actually, there were a few issues that went into the process of withdrawing his commitment and closing his recruitment altogether. He had sustained serious injuries after committing early, and during the lengthy recovery, he began to prioritize identifying a Top 5 program in his area of interest, at a Top 25 university, but one where he would have an outsized college experience, too. The list of “perfect schools” became small.

Those injuries and a realization that the time commitment necessary to continue playing at a high level would prevent him from pursuing a major that he wasn’t willing to bypass (and that is related to his injuries, ironically) were enough to course correct. He was told specifically when committing that certain majors would be off limits. He didn’t take that seriously at the time (my theory) or realize how much that would matter.

Prioritizing academics is a difficult choice when you’ve been devoting that much time to something outside the classroom, and I wish it would have worked out differently, but life is full of trade-offs. D1 programs would have consumed his college experience. D3 programs wouldn’t have even provided the college experience he wanted for himself. Knowing that he had to make a really tough choice, we were not terribly surprised that he made what will probably turn out to be the smart one.

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Anonymous wrote:I was disappointed to read this article from Ivy Coach that says that if your child is not going to be a recruited athlete, your child should not include their sports on the common app. I see the argument that it's not going to help my DC to stand out from the application pool and therefore, DC needs to focus on other ECs, but to say that an activity that takes up over 15 hours a week of DC's time each week (my DC plays on two school varsity teams, but isn't good enough to be a recruited athlete) seems like bad advice to me. I've heard this from other college counselors too, but I am not going to have DC quit sports - exercise is good for physical health and mental health and has enabled my otherwise quiet DC to become friends with lots of terrific kids from DC's school.

https://www.ivycoach.com/the-ivy-coach-blog/college-admissions/playing-sports-college-applications/

Does anyone here think that DC should actually leave two varsity sports teams off DC's college application? I have otherwise appreciated Ivy Coach's articles but now I'm really questioning their judgment and thinking it's bad advice.

Abject, unmitigated idiocy. Participation in HS athletics is often the great differentiator for the exceptionally high-achieving students, and not just at the recruited athlete level. Think of the time commitment, resolve, and grit that are necessary in individual and especially team sports - we're seriously going to pretend that membership or participation in the NHS, the Key Club, SADD and a random Rubik's cube competition are the signals that AOs are looking for ... ?

Student A: 4.00 unweighted, 15 AP classes, all 5s and 1 - 2 4s, 1600 SAT and/or 36 ACT, along with 12 - 15 ECs / awards that mostly align with their college major interests and help to achieve a cohesive narrative in their essays, plus they are a four-year varsity athlete who served as captain senior year and won a state title.

Student B: 4.00 unweighted, 15 AP classes, all 5s and 1 - 2 4s, 1600 SAT and/or 36 ACT, along with 16 - 20 ECs / awards that mostly align with their college major interests and help to achieve a cohesive narrative in their essays.

Student A absolutely trounces Student B in the eyes of AOs ... arguing otherwise is just absurd at this point.

The flaw in the above is that there is only room for 10 ECs to be listed. The article argues that basically ALL if them should tell the same story. If you have room to list a sport you should list it, but if you have room to list a sport you may be in trouble anyways when admissions offices want spiky applicants.

I've been an ivy interviewer for a few years. I've seen hordes of well rounded students bite the dust, and only one *extremely* spiky student get accepted.

The article is extreme, maybe too much, but so is this admissions climate.

Regarding the space available, the common app provides room for up to ten ECs and five awards, as I recall. UC app provides 20 spaces for both, combined.

The way my son dealt with these limitations is by consolidating his HS team, regional and national club teams, and USA baseball appointment to one EC slot. He also consolidated awards similarly. It required a little extra work, but it allowed him to demonstrate significant time commitments in both research and athletics that aligned with his intended major and that complemented his overall academic profile.

How is your kid not a recruited athlete? I don't know a single USA Baseball appointee that isn't...some of those kids are going in the first couple rounds of the MLB draft. Nearly all are Power 5 D1 commits.

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Anonymous wrote:Sports are a huge commitment.
My son has practices basically every single day (5 days + a weekend in Fall and most days in Spring between club and HS workouts). It would be insane not to account for this type of commitment to shed light on what an accomplishment his 4.0 is given he has compromised free time.

Please.

Totally agree, my student also has a number of academic and extracurricular accomplishments that are even more impressive considering he is a three sport athlete is a demanding high school athletic conference.