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Anonymous wrote:Anyone doing drugs while pregnant should be targets and go to jail for life. Testing is a great practice for society.

And doctors who aren’t following the standard of informed consent need to be reported to the state medical boards, which is also a great practice for society.

I missed the part where OP was drugged and passed out. Sitting down in a phlebotomist’s chair and letting someone poke a needle into your arm, drawing your blood and watching them package it away (“confirm your birthdate and name please”) is consent. She’s the idiot who didn’t ask what they were drawing blood for.

That isn’t what informed consent is. If you’re truly in the medical field you’re aware of that fact. Read the ACOG guidance someone has already posted.

If you think ACOG guidance is law then it would be you who is ill-informed.

Anonymous wrote:She gave consent. She acknowledged that she gave consent. Next time, don’t sign anything until and unless you read allll the fine print and agree.

This is not that complicated.

Anonymous wrote:They also run a full std panel. It’s a normal part of early blood tests. I was surprised too. But not offended. It’s not personal.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone doing drugs while pregnant should be targets and go to jail for life. Testing is a great practice for society.

And doctors who aren’t following the standard of informed consent need to be reported to the state medical boards, which is also a great practice for society.

I missed the part where OP was drugged and passed out. Sitting down in a phlebotomist’s chair and letting someone poke a needle into your arm, drawing your blood and watching them package it away (“confirm your birthdate and name please”) is consent. She’s the idiot who didn’t ask what they were drawing blood for.

That isn’t what informed consent is. If you’re truly in the medical field you’re aware of that fact. Read the ACOG guidance someone has already posted.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone doing drugs while pregnant should be targets and go to jail for life. Testing is a great practice for society.

And doctors who aren’t following the standard of informed consent need to be reported to the state medical boards, which is also a great practice for society.

I missed the part where OP was drugged and passed out. Sitting down in a phlebotomist’s chair and letting someone poke a needle into your arm, drawing your blood and watching them package it away (“confirm your birthdate and name please”) is consent. She’s the idiot who didn’t ask what they were drawing blood for.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone doing drugs while pregnant should be targets and go to jail for life. Testing is a great practice for society.

And doctors who aren’t following the standard of informed consent need to be reported to the state medical boards, which is also a great practice for society.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, I had the same experience. My doctor just said they were going to run prenatal blood tests and we discussed the NT screen part of the test and any family history genetic screening tests. It did seem that they went out of their way not to mention anything controversial, like STD, HIV or drug testing, that was also included. I think they just wanted to check the box without having to argue with patients that it wasn't necessary. I'm sure I never asked specifically, but they also absolutely didn't mention it. This does seem to be a standard practice.

To be tested for HIV you need to sign a specific paper.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s important medical information and should be routine. If a baby is going to go through withdrawal symptoms after delivery or there are medical complications associated with the drugs the providers need to know.

You think medical tests should be given without consent? Because I agree that this is useful medical information, but the point is that it is being collected in a dishonest and unethical way. If providers want to know, they should build trust that they won't go running to CPS and then actually ask the patient and then don't go running to CPS.

Otherwise, you have doctors intervening without patient consent and in addition to eroding trust in the medical system more generally, the result is that drug users will not seek prenatal care at all.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a routine part of pregnancy testing. They do not treat women who come back positive as criminals.

This is absolutely false. They will call CPS

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Anonymous wrote:OP here, thank you for the responses everyone. To be clear, I am not claiming that what they did was illegal. As I mentioned in my original post, I understand that I could have and should have asked for more details about exactly what they were testing, and lesson learned. However, I can guarantee that I did not sign anything that day authorizing any drug screen or any blood work at all(which I guess they don't need from a legal perspective).

Regardless of the legal status I do feel disrespected. As to the reasons I care, it is a matter of trust and consent. I don't want to feel like a suspect every time i seek medical care and even though I don't use drugs, I dislike the idea of women who do use drugs becoming targets by seeking care.

I am skeptical of the idea that making a fuss about this would "raise red flags" in the system but if it did, I would find that all the more reason to make a fuss. I think the practice is unethical and raising red flags over complaints about an unethical practice is even more unethical. In any case, I feel decently well placed to defend myself against any false suspicion, but of course I would rather not have to.

With all that said, I don't know if there is much I can do. I can complain to the various oversight boards and to Kaiser directly. I could also have a frank conversation with my doctor. I might try some subset of those options but I don't anticipate any progress.

Thank you all again for your feedback.

You didn't authorize ANY blood work at all but you... seem to have permitted them to stick the needle in your arm and draw blood...? What am I missing here? Also, it's simply not that big of a deal. As a PP said, this and STD panels are standard practice. The provider probably didn't put a spot light on it for you because it's entirely routine.

They should still review what they are testing for.

Seems pretty obvious you don’t work in healthcare. Do you know how long it would take with each patient to review each and every test you are going to perform? Doctors run late enough as it is. Add that into the mix and they’d never get anything done.

Then they should not be doctors.

You couldn’t handle it for 2 hours.
We’re all going our best. If you can do it better, then get your a$$ to med school and show the rest of us how it’s done.

It wouldn't be so hard if doctors themselves didn't lobby so aggressively to keep the number of doctors in short supply.

Right. Because that’s totes what’s stopping you.

You're a disgusting human being, I feel bad for your patients.

Don’t. I work in public health. They are so happy to have me. None of them are entitled a$$holes like the complainers on this thread. I don’t have to deal with their ridiculous whining. We have a great time.

You have no idea how much you disgust me. Doctors like you are the reason I probably will skip out on prenatal care next pregnancy.