Anonymous
09/05/2021 10:00
Subject: Re:Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Call me crazy, but I think the goal might be increased diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Yeah, kinda hard to believe that when we just had Fairfax County go on a crusade to target Thomas Jefferson HS on "diversity, equity, and inclusion" grounds for having too many Asians.
It is one thing to say "nobody should be excluded," which is an idea pretty much everyone would support.
When you insist the system has to be gamed to make sure certain groups are advanced, regardless of the actual merit of the individuals in question is when you get into trouble.... and that is what the entire modern D&I effort is about.
Yea, it’s interesting that the effort to improve diversity at TJ didn’t focus on improving stem education at the younger grades for disadvantaged kids. It’s admittedly harder to do than gaming the admissions process, but that would have been a truly equitable solution.
Shoot, if they were really worried that there were a bunch of qualified students who weren't getting admitted, they could always have created another magnet HS.
Think about how much the population in this region has grown since the creation of TJ, why not make another? Why not make two more?
Because of course getting more qualified kids in wasn't the problem.
If they went from one school to three they would just have gone from one problem to three. Three problems where the race of the students doesn't match the answer they have determined to be correct.
Do you really not see the difficulties in just "making another." And what do you think is "the answer they have determined to be correct"?
Anonymous
09/05/2021 09:59
Subject: Re:Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Call me crazy, but I think the goal might be increased diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Yeah, kinda hard to believe that when we just had Fairfax County go on a crusade to target Thomas Jefferson HS on "diversity, equity, and inclusion" grounds for having too many Asians.
It is one thing to say "nobody should be excluded," which is an idea pretty much everyone would support.
When you insist the system has to be gamed to make sure certain groups are advanced, regardless of the actual merit of the individuals in question is when you get into trouble.... and that is what the entire modern D&I effort is about.
I'm confused. Some are arguing that the movement is designed, somehow, to only "target" white people. But you appear to be arguing that is not true. That in fact....it is being used to increase representation of all demographics. That is exactly the point.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-diversity-admissions/2021/06/23/26bb7960-d44b-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html
"Prestigious magnet school Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology will welcome the most diverse class of students in recent school history next fall, according to data released Wednesday by Fairfax County Public Schools.
The class will include more Black and Hispanic students than any class admitted in the past four years. It will include fewer Asian students, who have historically made up the vast majority of admitted students, and a larger percentage of female students.
But the biggest jump came in admission offers to economically disadvantaged students, meaning students who qualify for free or reduced-price school meals. In previous years, these students accounted for 2 percent or fewer of all children offered spots at Thomas Jefferson, known as TJ. This year, 25 percent of all students receiving offers are economically disadvantaged, according to Fairfax data."
Holy verbal gymnastics.
If you lump all Asians together as one group then you can claim successfully excluding qualified Asians in favor of less qualified students of other races results in more "diversity," but Asians are 60% of the world's population and represent hundreds of distinct cultures, languages, etc.
Anonymous
09/05/2021 09:56
Subject: Re:Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Call me crazy, but I think the goal might be increased diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Yeah, kinda hard to believe that when we just had Fairfax County go on a crusade to target Thomas Jefferson HS on "diversity, equity, and inclusion" grounds for having too many Asians.
It is one thing to say "nobody should be excluded," which is an idea pretty much everyone would support.
When you insist the system has to be gamed to make sure certain groups are advanced, regardless of the actual merit of the individuals in question is when you get into trouble.... and that is what the entire modern D&I effort is about.
Yea, it’s interesting that the effort to improve diversity at TJ didn’t focus on improving stem education at the younger grades for disadvantaged kids. It’s admittedly harder to do than gaming the admissions process, but that would have been a truly equitable solution.
Those efforts have been tried for years. It's just that systemic racism is so baked into the cake that something else was morally necessary.
...and shockingly enough, nowhere is that system racism more powerful than in regions where all the students are black, the teachers are black, the school administrators are black.
Show me a school with virtually no whites at all and I will show you a school where "systemic racism" is at the height of its power.
Anonymous
09/05/2021 09:53
Subject: Re:Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Call me crazy, but I think the goal might be increased diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Yeah, kinda hard to believe that when we just had Fairfax County go on a crusade to target Thomas Jefferson HS on "diversity, equity, and inclusion" grounds for having too many Asians.
It is one thing to say "nobody should be excluded," which is an idea pretty much everyone would support.
When you insist the system has to be gamed to make sure certain groups are advanced, regardless of the actual merit of the individuals in question is when you get into trouble.... and that is what the entire modern D&I effort is about.
Yea, it’s interesting that the effort to improve diversity at TJ didn’t focus on improving stem education at the younger grades for disadvantaged kids. It’s admittedly harder to do than gaming the admissions process, but that would have been a truly equitable solution.
Shoot, if they were really worried that there were a bunch of qualified students who weren't getting admitted, they could always have created another magnet HS.
Think about how much the population in this region has grown since the creation of TJ, why not make another? Why not make two more?
Because of course getting more qualified kids in wasn't the problem.
If they went from one school to three they would just have gone from one problem to three. Three problems where the race of the students doesn't match the answer they have determined to be correct.
Anonymous
09/05/2021 09:49
Subject: Re:Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Call me crazy, but I think the goal might be increased diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Yeah, kinda hard to believe that when we just had Fairfax County go on a crusade to target Thomas Jefferson HS on "diversity, equity, and inclusion" grounds for having too many Asians.
It is one thing to say "nobody should be excluded," which is an idea pretty much everyone would support.
When you insist the system has to be gamed to make sure certain groups are advanced, regardless of the actual merit of the individuals in question is when you get into trouble.... and that is what the entire modern D&I effort is about.
I'm confused. Some are arguing that the movement is designed, somehow, to only "target" white people. But you appear to be arguing that is not true. That in fact....it is being used to increase representation of all demographics. That is exactly the point.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/thomas-jefferson-high-diversity-admissions/2021/06/23/26bb7960-d44b-11eb-ae54-515e2f63d37d_story.html
"Prestigious magnet school Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology will welcome the most diverse class of students in recent school history next fall, according to data released Wednesday by Fairfax County Public Schools.
The class will include more Black and Hispanic students than any class admitted in the past four years. It will include fewer Asian students, who have historically made up the vast majority of admitted students, and a larger percentage of female students.
But the biggest jump came in admission offers to economically disadvantaged students, meaning students who qualify for free or reduced-price school meals. In previous years, these students accounted for 2 percent or fewer of all children offered spots at Thomas Jefferson, known as TJ. This year, 25 percent of all students receiving offers are economically disadvantaged, according to Fairfax data."
Anonymous
09/05/2021 09:49
Subject: Re:Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Call me crazy, but I think the goal might be increased diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Yeah, kinda hard to believe that when we just had Fairfax County go on a crusade to target Thomas Jefferson HS on "diversity, equity, and inclusion" grounds for having too many Asians.
It is one thing to say "nobody should be excluded," which is an idea pretty much everyone would support.
When you insist the system has to be gamed to make sure certain groups are advanced, regardless of the actual merit of the individuals in question is when you get into trouble.... and that is what the entire modern D&I effort is about.
Yea, it’s interesting that the effort to improve diversity at TJ didn’t focus on improving stem education at the younger grades for disadvantaged kids. It’s admittedly harder to do than gaming the admissions process, but that would have been a truly equitable solution.
Those efforts have been tried for years. It's just that systemic racism is so baked into the cake that something else was morally necessary.
Anonymous
09/05/2021 09:45
Subject: Re:Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Call me crazy, but I think the goal might be increased diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Yeah, kinda hard to believe that when we just had Fairfax County go on a crusade to target Thomas Jefferson HS on "diversity, equity, and inclusion" grounds for having too many Asians.
It is one thing to say "nobody should be excluded," which is an idea pretty much everyone would support.
When you insist the system has to be gamed to make sure certain groups are advanced, regardless of the actual merit of the individuals in question is when you get into trouble.... and that is what the entire modern D&I effort is about.
Yea, it’s interesting that the effort to improve diversity at TJ didn’t focus on improving stem education at the younger grades for disadvantaged kids. It’s admittedly harder to do than gaming the admissions process, but that would have been a truly equitable solution.
Anonymous
09/05/2021 09:43
Subject: Re:Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:
It is a political tool designed to unify an unwieldy coalition against a common "foe."
The whole 'equity' push has also taken on a life of its own as a sort of secular religion. It gives school bureaucrats and others something to talk about endlessly to distract the public from their continuing failures.
Agree with this. It comes with in-groups and out-groups, required language use, rejection of non-believers. I find it fascinating.
Anonymous
09/05/2021 09:42
Subject: Re:Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Call me crazy, but I think the goal might be increased diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Yeah, kinda hard to believe that when we just had Fairfax County go on a crusade to target Thomas Jefferson HS on "diversity, equity, and inclusion" grounds for having too many Asians.
It is one thing to say "nobody should be excluded," which is an idea pretty much everyone would support.
When you insist the system has to be gamed to make sure certain groups are advanced, regardless of the actual merit of the individuals in question is when you get into trouble.... and that is what the entire modern D&I effort is about.
Anonymous
09/05/2021 09:32
Subject: Re:Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Call me crazy, but I think the goal might be increased diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Truly
Anonymous
09/05/2021 09:30
Subject: Re:Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Anonymous wrote:Call me crazy, but I think the goal might be increased diversity, equity, and inclusion.
I will believe that when I see someone who just wants increased "diversity, equity, and inclusion" goes after anything that isn't perceived to be white/asian dominated.
Anonymous
09/05/2021 09:27
Subject: Diversity Equity and Inclusion
It's a mixed bag. Some people just want to use it to make the world a better place - increasing awareness of racist behavior that people may take for granted, increasing diversity in various public spaces, mitigating the spill over impact of past racist policies and that sort of thing.
Other people use the initiatives as window dressing to give them an excuse to ignore the practices of otherwise racist institutions. Other people want to use the initiatives as a political tool to increase their own personal power. Other people want white people to wear hair shirts and engage in struggle sessions, feeling bad about themselves for the bad actions of other white people. Other people want to use it to excuse them to help them excuse the consequences of their own bad choices, blaming their situations on institutional racism.
Big spectrum of possibilities.
Other people use the initiatives as window dressing to give them an excuse to ignore the practices of otherwise racist institutions. Other people want to use the initiatives as a political tool to increase their own personal power. Other people want white people to wear hair shirts and engage in struggle sessions, feeling bad about themselves for the bad actions of other white people. Other people want to use it to excuse them to help them excuse the consequences of their own bad choices, blaming their situations on institutional racism.
Big spectrum of possibilities.
Anonymous
09/05/2021 09:22
Subject: Re:Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Call me crazy, but I think the goal might be increased diversity, equity, and inclusion.
Anonymous
09/05/2021 09:15
Subject: Re:Diversity Equity and Inclusion
It is a political tool designed to unify an unwieldy coalition against a common "foe."
The whole 'equity' push has also taken on a life of its own as a sort of secular religion. It gives school bureaucrats and others something to talk about endlessly to distract the public from their continuing failures.
Anonymous
09/05/2021 08:53
Subject: Diversity Equity and Inclusion
Does anyone know the longterm political goal of Diversity Equity and Inclusion initiatives? Is there more a focus on this now because baby boomers are retiring and more younger people are needed in the workplace? It seems like eventually when baby boomers retire, younger more diverse people will fill those roles.