Anonymous wrote:They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

As a parent of a child under 12, I'm not looking for him to "save me". I am looking to protect him and save him from the a$$hats who refuse to get vaccinated by choice. Beyond that, I couldn't care less if they don't care enough to take care of themselves.

Anonymous wrote:The variants are not coming from the minority of unvaccinated individuals in the US.

To a degree, they are. The virus only thrives on a live host, and the more unvaccinated people there are the more opportunities there are for the virus to variate.

Anonymous wrote:It was never the plan to make the kids save us from
This. They were punished for months and months to protect the adults and yet they are still getting punished and then pressured to get a vaccine.

We WANT our kids to be vaccinated. It's neither punishment nor pressure.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with OP. If people haven't gotten vaccinated, then they are a lost cause. But, it is also not fair to be pushing the essential nature of the unvaccinated AND then consider not approving a vaccine for the under 12 set. Now, many schools and businesses are requiring masks for unvaccinated. It is UNACCEPTABLE to require masks for all children under the age of 12 forever. Either push the vaccine through and get it approved OR don't and also drop the mask requirement. We are in this weird limbo and as you run down the decision tree, I can see the insanity of no vaccine for my kids (because it isn't deemed worth it because the virus isn't that bad for kids) but ALSO a requirement that my kids wear masks. It isn't minimal Every day, all day at school. No smiles, no funny faces, impaired breathing for my child with asthma. This is absolute insanity and we are all complicit in it.

Disagree. In hospitals where they had vaccine mandates, the mandates pushed the holdout staff to get vaccinated. People don't want to lose their jobs. Half the US military was unvaccinated the last time I checked, because the vaccine is currently optional. Enough employers make it mandatory and vaccination rates will soar.

So are you saying that in order for kids to be able to go to school maskless, employers will have to mandate vaccinations for adult employees?

It was never the plan to make the kids save us from
This. They were punished for months and months to protect the adults and yet they are still getting punished and then pressured to get a vaccine.

PP here. If you think they aren't slow rolling it, then think about how none of the emergency use vaccines have been fully approved. I mean having so many people vaccinated has got to meet whatever testing requirements the FDA applies to approval. Largest test ever and yet still not approved. Sloooow role.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with OP. If people haven't gotten vaccinated, then they are a lost cause. But, it is also not fair to be pushing the essential nature of the unvaccinated AND then consider not approving a vaccine for the under 12 set. Now, many schools and businesses are requiring masks for unvaccinated. It is UNACCEPTABLE to require masks for all children under the age of 12 forever. Either push the vaccine through and get it approved OR don't and also drop the mask requirement. We are in this weird limbo and as you run down the decision tree, I can see the insanity of no vaccine for my kids (because it isn't deemed worth it because the virus isn't that bad for kids) but ALSO a requirement that my kids wear masks. It isn't minimal Every day, all day at school. No smiles, no funny faces, impaired breathing for my child with asthma. This is absolute insanity and we are all complicit in it.

Disagree. In hospitals where they had vaccine mandates, the mandates pushed the holdout staff to get vaccinated. People don't want to lose their jobs. Half the US military was unvaccinated the last time I checked, because the vaccine is currently optional. Enough employers make it mandatory and vaccination rates will soar.

I think we are focused on different issues. I actually think private businesses can and perhaps should ask for a vaccination card to prove vaccination but that can only happen after the vaccine is available to 12 and under. The largest population of unvaccinated people in the country are children under 12. They get it and they spread it. We need to get them vaccinated asap and move on. But if the CDC holds back on vaccines for kids and also continues to require masks, people lose all over the place. Rulefollowers like me who vaxxed as soon as possible still have to wear a mask because my kids can't get the vaccine. And people who are refusing to get vaccines are also going mask free because so far people are not asking for proof of vaccination. We need to get the kids vaccinated and then require it for school, dining, work, travel. That is the ONLY path to ending this and the admin has openly said it is slow-rolling the kids vaccine. It is such a huge policy and public health fail.

Anonymous wrote:I agree with OP. If people haven't gotten vaccinated, then they are a lost cause. But, it is also not fair to be pushing the essential nature of the unvaccinated AND then consider not approving a vaccine for the under 12 set. Now, many schools and businesses are requiring masks for unvaccinated. It is UNACCEPTABLE to require masks for all children under the age of 12 forever. Either push the vaccine through and get it approved OR don't and also drop the mask requirement. We are in this weird limbo and as you run down the decision tree, I can see the insanity of no vaccine for my kids (because it isn't deemed worth it because the virus isn't that bad for kids) but ALSO a requirement that my kids wear masks. It isn't minimal Every day, all day at school. No smiles, no funny faces, impaired breathing for my child with asthma. This is absolute insanity and we are all complicit in it.

Disagree. In hospitals where they had vaccine mandates, the mandates pushed the holdout staff to get vaccinated. People don't want to lose their jobs. Half the US military was unvaccinated the last time I checked, because the vaccine is currently optional. Enough employers make it mandatory and vaccination rates will soar.

I agree with OP. If people haven't gotten vaccinated, then they are a lost cause. But, it is also not fair to be pushing the essential nature of the unvaccinated AND then consider not approving a vaccine for the under 12 set. Now, many schools and businesses are requiring masks for unvaccinated. It is UNACCEPTABLE to require masks for all children under the age of 12 forever. Either push the vaccine through and get it approved OR don't and also drop the mask requirement. We are in this weird limbo and as you run down the decision tree, I can see the insanity of no vaccine for my kids (because it isn't deemed worth it because the virus isn't that bad for kids) but ALSO a requirement that my kids wear masks. It isn't minimal Every day, all day at school. No smiles, no funny faces, impaired breathing for my child with asthma. This is absolute insanity and we are all complicit in it.

Anonymous wrote:I’ve given up on the unvaccinated adults and will let that play out as nature takes it. Not feeling magnanimous at all in helping folks who get infected now because of refusal now. But I’m hopeful we’re close to approval for the younger kids so we can get the vaccinated numbers up and stop these swirling variants in spite of the anti-vaxxers. I don’t have younger kids so I’m not following as closely - any projections when that approval will come?

The problem here is not the kids, its the adults.

Anonymous wrote:They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

OP is saying they have given up hope that the antivaxxers can be convinced otherwise.

They are now saying early 2022. But it is pretty crappy of you to pin your hopes on little kids saving you instead of adults.

Honestly, it's possible they never approve it. They have to weigh the risk from the vaccine itself against the risks of Covid. Kids have so little risk from Covid, that the vaccine may not meet the threshold.

Which is all to say, stop worrying about your kids. They will be fine.

The variants are not coming from the minority of unvaccinated individuals in the US.

I’ve given up on the unvaccinated adults and will let that play out as nature takes it. Not feeling magnanimous at all in helping folks who get infected now because of refusal now. But I’m hopeful we’re close to approval for the younger kids so we can get the vaccinated numbers up and stop these swirling variants in spite of the anti-vaxxers. I don’t have younger kids so I’m not following as closely - any projections when that approval will come?