Anonymous
Post 07/19/2021 14:19     Subject: swim team divisionals
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Anonymous wrote:Does individual swimmer performance at divisionals mean anything for team standing? Or is it only about an individual swimmer's rankings?

Curious about whether a coach is motivated to assign slots based on having the best overall outcome for the team or if slots awarded based on top swimmer's preferences only. (New family obviously, essentially wondering if strong swimmers in free or back who are only legal options for breast/fly could be asked to swim those, even if they'd rather do free/back).


It does absolutely nothing for the team. Honestly coached don't really care. Fastest is put in and that is it - some prestige if you can get your kids into All-Stars and that is it.

Division rankings were done after the last A meet.

Coaches make the ultimate decision though. I know of a situation in which a kid had one good race in a stroke and posted a time that was good for 2nd by a tenth of a second or so, but because that kid wasn’t consistently putting that kind of time down the kid in 3rd, who was extremely consistent, got the divisional spot.


Wow, that is really terrible. On our team, the time is the time.

I thought that was the case too. Although I will say the kid never was within a second of their low time during any other race the whole season, and other than the 1 race wasn’t even the 3rd best time.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2021 14:15     Subject: swim team divisionals
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does individual swimmer performance at divisionals mean anything for team standing? Or is it only about an individual swimmer's rankings?

Curious about whether a coach is motivated to assign slots based on having the best overall outcome for the team or if slots awarded based on top swimmer's preferences only. (New family obviously, essentially wondering if strong swimmers in free or back who are only legal options for breast/fly could be asked to swim those, even if they'd rather do free/back).


It does absolutely nothing for the team. Honestly coached don't really care. Fastest is put in and that is it - some prestige if you can get your kids into All-Stars and that is it.

Division rankings were done after the last A meet.

Coaches make the ultimate decision though. I know of a situation in which a kid had one good race in a stroke and posted a time that was good for 2nd by a tenth of a second or so, but because that kid wasn’t consistently putting that kind of time down the kid in 3rd, who was extremely consistent, got the divisional spot.


Wow, that is really terrible. On our team, the time is the time.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2021 14:13     Subject: swim team divisionals
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does individual swimmer performance at divisionals mean anything for team standing? Or is it only about an individual swimmer's rankings?

Curious about whether a coach is motivated to assign slots based on having the best overall outcome for the team or if slots awarded based on top swimmer's preferences only. (New family obviously, essentially wondering if strong swimmers in free or back who are only legal options for breast/fly could be asked to swim those, even if they'd rather do free/back).


It does absolutely nothing for the team. Honestly coached don't really care. Fastest is put in and that is it - some prestige if you can get your kids into All-Stars and that is it.

Division rankings were done after the last A meet.

Coaches make the ultimate decision though. I know of a situation in which a kid had one good race in a stroke and posted a time that was good for 2nd by a tenth of a second or so, but because that kid wasn’t consistently putting that kind of time down the kid in 3rd, who was extremely consistent, got the divisional spot.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2021 13:59     Subject: swim team divisionals
(NVSL) It is not a team event (and is not scored) and each team can select their participants as they see fit -- coach's preference, strict adherence to the ladder, etc.

For our club, coaches have no role. Swimmers rank the order in which they would prefer to swim and the team rep and data coordinator create the entries based solely on the rankings and times.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2021 13:26     Subject: swim team divisionals
NVSL divisional has zilcho to do with the team ranking/scoring. So there is very little incentive to care that much about it. It is basically a B meet with limited options.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2021 13:20     Subject: Re:swim team divisionals
Sounds like NVSL and MCSL are different. This is not a team event in NVSL. Our coach lets the kids chose if they have top 2 times in multiple events, then goes down the ladder. In other words, kids get to pick if they are top 2 in multiple events but everyone else gets whatever position they fall into based on the ladder.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2021 13:17     Subject: swim team divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Our MCSL team doesn't ask for preferences.


Same in my experience
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2021 13:11     Subject: swim team divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Our MCSL team doesn't ask for preferences. They just make the lineup based on what's best for the team. It's possible that families are reaching out to the coach with requested event and I don't know about it, but there's no solicitation of event preference.

I thought the divisional results matter for the overall point totals for which team wins the division (which only results in a team trophy not division placement for next year because that's determined by the virtual meet program).


This. Our coach likes to win. One year that meant my kid did not swim best event at Divisionals. He's a top 5 swimmer in this event at All Stars, but our team was deep in that event compared to others and the team would score slightly more points if my child swam a different event where our other swimmers in the age group weren't as strong.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2021 13:03     Subject: swim team divisionals
The coaches for our team decide who is swimming what event.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2021 12:59     Subject: swim team divisionals
Our MCSL team doesn't ask for preferences. They just make the lineup based on what's best for the team. It's possible that families are reaching out to the coach with requested event and I don't know about it, but there's no solicitation of event preference.

I thought the divisional results matter for the overall point totals for which team wins the division (which only results in a team trophy not division placement for next year because that's determined by the virtual meet program).
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2021 12:54     Subject: swim team divisionals
what everyone said above. If your kid has the fasted time in a stoke they get first dibs on that spot. If that means there isn't anyone left on the ream who can legally swim the other strokes then they coach could decide to forfeit that lane which would mean the other teams in the division could fill those spots with the next fasted kid.

Anonymous
Post 07/19/2021 12:47     Subject: swim team divisionals
Our coach typically asks the top two swimmers for their preferences then assigns everyone else. But she knows what everyone likes to swim so that still plays in even if she doesn’t ask them specifically.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2021 12:43     Subject: swim team divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Does individual swimmer performance at divisionals mean anything for team standing? Or is it only about an individual swimmer's rankings?

Curious about whether a coach is motivated to assign slots based on having the best overall outcome for the team or if slots awarded based on top swimmer's preferences only. (New family obviously, essentially wondering if strong swimmers in free or back who are only legal options for breast/fly could be asked to swim those, even if they'd rather do free/back).


The top two times in each event will go... Except you only get two events (IM is included in that). So if you have a 13 year old who is the fastest in all four strokes, they could pick anything that they wanted. Then in the non-selected stroke would go to the second on the ladder (if they select it) and so on. If that makes sense. Swimmers generally pick what they want - I have never heard of a team not putting their preference down.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2021 12:40     Subject: swim team divisionals
Anonymous wrote:Does individual swimmer performance at divisionals mean anything for team standing? Or is it only about an individual swimmer's rankings?

Curious about whether a coach is motivated to assign slots based on having the best overall outcome for the team or if slots awarded based on top swimmer's preferences only. (New family obviously, essentially wondering if strong swimmers in free or back who are only legal options for breast/fly could be asked to swim those, even if they'd rather do free/back).


It does absolutely nothing for the team. Honestly coached don't really care. Fastest is put in and that is it - some prestige if you can get your kids into All-Stars and that is it.

Division rankings were done after the last A meet.
Anonymous
Post 07/19/2021 12:38     Subject: swim team divisionals
Does individual swimmer performance at divisionals mean anything for team standing? Or is it only about an individual swimmer's rankings?

Curious about whether a coach is motivated to assign slots based on having the best overall outcome for the team or if slots awarded based on top swimmer's preferences only. (New family obviously, essentially wondering if strong swimmers in free or back who are only legal options for breast/fly could be asked to swim those, even if they'd rather do free/back).