Anonymous
07/14/2021 23:35
Subject: Re:APS Pay lags ACPS, FCC, FCPS?
If the grass is greener...just go to DCPS.
Anonymous
07/14/2021 17:29
Subject: Re:APS Pay lags ACPS, FCC, FCPS?
Anonymous wrote:The problem with APS as well as all other districts in the area is that in the past 12 or so years, school systems have frozen the pay scale and have not given step increases many times. So dedicated, loyal teachers area up to 4-5 steps below their actual years of experience. Prior to 2009, COLA adjustments and steps were a given each year- it’s how teacher progress just like feds who move up the pay ladder. The COL in Arlington is way higher than surrounding counties- maybe comparable to Alexandria but our pay has not kept up. I did the math, for my years of experience and degree, I should be on a step making over $20,000 more than I do now. The other part that super insulting, a new hire with my years of experience would make that amount and someone with 4 fewer years would make the same as me. APS loses tons of teachers to FCPS because it’s cheaper to live there/they already live there and most teachers would make more because they would get hired at the step level they should be at, even if their scale is slightly lower than APS. It’s going to catch up with them soon- they need to start giving extra steps to teachers hired in certain time frames.
Similar issue with Falls Church. The other issue is many teachers live in other districts and the school calendars are no longer aligned. Some people were willing to put up with this when they were getting paid significantly more but when pay has been frozen over the years and the COL adjustments have been so small it is no longer worth being on a different calendar as your kids. FCCPS keeps telling us they offered employees daycare at times during Covid and that we should be grateful. That was nice but doesn’t compare to FCPS, where if we worked there our children could have gone 4 days per week from the start, we would have been on the same schedule and we would have the same spring breaks this year. Many of us would have a higher salary if we switched now.
Anonymous
07/14/2021 16:29
Subject: Re:APS Pay lags ACPS, FCC, FCPS?
The problem with APS as well as all other districts in the area is that in the past 12 or so years, school systems have frozen the pay scale and have not given step increases many times. So dedicated, loyal teachers area up to 4-5 steps below their actual years of experience. Prior to 2009, COLA adjustments and steps were a given each year- it’s how teacher progress just like feds who move up the pay ladder. The COL in Arlington is way higher than surrounding counties- maybe comparable to Alexandria but our pay has not kept up. I did the math, for my years of experience and degree, I should be on a step making over $20,000 more than I do now. The other part that super insulting, a new hire with my years of experience would make that amount and someone with 4 fewer years would make the same as me. APS loses tons of teachers to FCPS because it’s cheaper to live there/they already live there and most teachers would make more because they would get hired at the step level they should be at, even if their scale is slightly lower than APS. It’s going to catch up with them soon- they need to start giving extra steps to teachers hired in certain time frames.
Anonymous
07/14/2021 15:59
Subject: APS Pay lags ACPS, FCC, FCPS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ACPS got a step increase, COL increase and a bonus in June - each of those were like 2-2.5% I think.
APS got a 2% COLA and a step in January.
OP you can compare all the pay scales. It's not apples to apples though because of different calculations for steps, benefit costs, retirement contributions. From what I have seen there is not an outlier in NOVA, they are all pretty close.
The step begins in January 2022
I've heard March '22
It’s January
Anonymous
07/14/2021 15:59
Subject: Re:APS Pay lags ACPS, FCC, FCPS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Doesn't APS Contribute more into the Pension/Retirement? I have heard APS teachers have a better retirement deal.
+1 I heard it is much better than the other contiguous school districts. I also have seen comparisons of health care packages and the APS package looks better.
ACPS has much lower rates than APS
Anonymous
07/14/2021 15:34
Subject: Re:APS Pay lags ACPS, FCC, FCPS?
Anonymous wrote:Doesn't APS Contribute more into the Pension/Retirement? I have heard APS teachers have a better retirement deal.
+1 I heard it is much better than the other contiguous school districts. I also have seen comparisons of health care packages and the APS package looks better.
Anonymous
07/14/2021 15:13
Subject: APS Pay lags ACPS, FCC, FCPS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ACPS got a step increase, COL increase and a bonus in June - each of those were like 2-2.5% I think.
APS got a 2% COLA and a step in January.
OP you can compare all the pay scales. It's not apples to apples though because of different calculations for steps, benefit costs, retirement contributions. From what I have seen there is not an outlier in NOVA, they are all pretty close.
The step begins in January 2022
I've heard March '22
Anonymous
07/14/2021 15:12
Subject: Re:APS Pay lags ACPS, FCC, FCPS?
Doesn't APS Contribute more into the Pension/Retirement? I have heard APS teachers have a better retirement deal.
Anonymous
07/14/2021 14:23
Subject: APS Pay lags ACPS, FCC, FCPS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ACPS got a step increase, COL increase and a bonus in June - each of those were like 2-2.5% I think.
APS got a 2% COLA and a step in January.
OP you can compare all the pay scales. It's not apples to apples though because of different calculations for steps, benefit costs, retirement contributions. From what I have seen there is not an outlier in NOVA, they are all pretty close.
The step begins in January 2022
Anonymous
07/14/2021 14:22
Subject: APS Pay lags ACPS, FCC, FCPS?
Anonymous wrote:ACPS got a step increase, COL increase and a bonus in June - each of those were like 2-2.5% I think.
APS got a 2% COLA and a step in January.
OP you can compare all the pay scales. It's not apples to apples though because of different calculations for steps, benefit costs, retirement contributions. From what I have seen there is not an outlier in NOVA, they are all pretty close.
Anonymous
07/14/2021 12:33
Subject: APS Pay lags ACPS, FCC, FCPS?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I saw this posted on AEM that APS now pays less than all of those other districts? Is this true?? What happened, did they all give big raises and we did not?
FCPS teachers and school board are busy saying FCPS pay lags.
I assume they are all including different calculations when it comes to benefits to get these differing numbers?
pick the specific teacher (education/experience) and you can probably find a district that pays more and then pick another specific example to prove that same district pays less
Anonymous
07/14/2021 12:32
Subject: APS Pay lags ACPS, FCC, FCPS?
ACPS got a step increase, COL increase and a bonus in June - each of those were like 2-2.5% I think.
Anonymous
07/14/2021 12:31
Subject: APS Pay lags ACPS, FCC, FCPS?
Anonymous wrote:I saw this posted on AEM that APS now pays less than all of those other districts? Is this true?? What happened, did they all give big raises and we did not?
FCPS teachers and school board are busy saying FCPS pay lags.
I assume they are all including different calculations when it comes to benefits to get these differing numbers?
Anonymous
07/14/2021 12:26
Subject: Re:APS Pay lags ACPS, FCC, FCPS?
Yup. It’s true. And with houses in Arlington being cost prohibitive on a teachers salary… it does not make sense for teachers to work here! APS is going to lose some awesome teachers if salaries don’t increase significantly.
Anonymous
07/14/2021 10:38
Subject: APS Pay lags ACPS, FCC, FCPS?
I saw this posted on AEM that APS now pays less than all of those other districts? Is this true?? What happened, did they all give big raises and we did not?