Anonymous
05/14/2021 15:07
Subject: NNAT results
Future of public school education and AAP is dependent on Nov 2021 VA governor elections.
I am a Democrat and prefer Democratic government fir the country. But for local and VA elections I will vote Republican.
I am a Democrat and prefer Democratic government fir the country. But for local and VA elections I will vote Republican.
Anonymous
05/14/2021 15:01
Subject: NNAT results
Anonymous wrote:If TJ and the VA DOEs curriculum changes are any indication, AAP and gifted ed for the younger kids is not going to look like gifted ed.
Most likely test scores and teacher recommendations will be eliminated, replaced with a lottery that weighs race, ESL and free lunch status over grades, test or achievement, just like TJ.
Based off all the changes to Virginia's education, I would suspect that the gifted ed requirement will be eliminated very soon by the DOE.
So I would not really worry to much right now.
Things are very fluid right now in education as the leaders in education are very focused on removing meritocracy and punishing and eliminating recognition of excellence and achievement.
Hold tight. It is going to be a wild ride depending on who wins governor.
Terry is the likely winner for Virginia governor.
His educstion plan is posted in full on his website.
His #1 focus for Virginia schools is advancing "equity"
Two specific things that he mentioned that will affect Northern Virginia, especially places like north Arlington that are very liberal, but very white good for thee but not for me kind of voters, is that his main focus will be to "desegregate" schools in Virginia. His second focus is to achieve this through modifying zoning and housing laws and making developers build low income and multi family housing in high achieving school districts.
On a side note, the board of supervisors is also trying to move in that direction by attempting to change zoning laws in fairfax county to allow customer based businesses and multi families in one home, in single family residential neighborhoods. I believe that failed after public comment. All the poeple who voted them in were outrages when they realized what they voted for might actually apply to them too, and not just other people in other places.
If he wins, which he probably will, get ready for a repeat of this year on steroids.
If the AAP is going down TJ route, and it depends on the upcoming governor election in Nov 2021, does this mean the kids who are in 1st grade now are safe? Their AAP application will be due on 1st Dec and it will be too soon to make any AAP changes after elections. This also means kids who are in Kindergarten now and younger are going to suffer as AAP may be entirely eliminated or dummed down to accomplish the Equity goal. Democrats need to go away/ lose in the VA local elections if we want to save public school education.
Anonymous
05/14/2021 14:19
Subject: NNAT results
My older kid got a 119 on the NNAT and my younger kid got a 95.
Kid #1 was accepted to AAP. I didn't even apply for kid #2.
Want to guess what happened when they each hit middle school? They both ended up taking exactly the same classes (my second kid spent an entire summer studying so that she could go from 6th grade math to Math 7H, skipping 7th grade math entirely). Yes, #1 was technically in AAP-only honors sections but other than a few extra projects here and there (one of which #2 ended up doing anyway in her Creative Writing elective!), content was not all that different.
So I wouldn't worry too much about having an "average" kid if you're an involved parent. Your child will still get a good education.
Kid #1 was accepted to AAP. I didn't even apply for kid #2.
Want to guess what happened when they each hit middle school? They both ended up taking exactly the same classes (my second kid spent an entire summer studying so that she could go from 6th grade math to Math 7H, skipping 7th grade math entirely). Yes, #1 was technically in AAP-only honors sections but other than a few extra projects here and there (one of which #2 ended up doing anyway in her Creative Writing elective!), content was not all that different.
So I wouldn't worry too much about having an "average" kid if you're an involved parent. Your child will still get a good education.
Anonymous
05/14/2021 14:04
Subject: Re:NNAT results
Anonymous wrote:If cutoff is 132 for in-pool, what about a 129? Just barely missed?
How does the AART matter and what can I do to help?
There's still the CoGAT for in-pool.
Anonymous
05/14/2021 14:03
Subject: Re:NNAT results
If cutoff is 132 for in-pool, what about a 129? Just barely missed?
How does the AART matter and what can I do to help?
How does the AART matter and what can I do to help?
Anonymous
05/14/2021 13:56
Subject: NNAT results
NNAT results are not heavily weighted in determining AAP eligibility. GBRS from your child’s second grade teacher and the AART are much more important.
As to whether it matters whether your child gets in AAP or not, that is very dependent on your child and the school he/she attends.
As to whether it matters whether your child gets in AAP or not, that is very dependent on your child and the school he/she attends.
Anonymous
05/14/2021 13:29
Subject: NNAT results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just noticed my 1st grader's Naglieri score is available on ParentVue. He is smack dab in the middle of average, according to the internet. Does this mean he will likely not be eligible for AAP? Should I even care after this cluster of a year? Has anyone seen scores improve for their own children as they mature? Am I worrying way to much a about a 7 year old's performance on a standardized test?
(I can answer that last one - yes).
A lot of my concern centers around the idea that in public school "average" kids get overlooked. I now wonder if he's in the right place. Appreciate any feedback from wiser parents!
Average runs 90-110. If he scored around 100, I would be shocked if he qualifies for AAP unless everything else considered (e.g. CoGAT and in class performance and work) strongly suggests the test results were an outlier. Even then I'd think it may end up as an appeal where you need to show additional work samples and explain the pandemic affected his NNAT. Do you have reason to believe he's bored in class or not getting anything from the lessons because he already knew that material?
Nope. He's likely not a good candidate for AAP. I guess my real question is, how much should I care? Can he still get a good education in FCPS? In a middling pyramid?
Yes, especially if you are an involved parent. Lots of kids who are in Gen Ed end up taking honors and AP/IB classes.
Anonymous
05/14/2021 12:19
Subject: NNAT results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just noticed my 1st grader's Naglieri score is available on ParentVue. He is smack dab in the middle of average, according to the internet. Does this mean he will likely not be eligible for AAP? Should I even care after this cluster of a year? Has anyone seen scores improve for their own children as they mature? Am I worrying way to much a about a 7 year old's performance on a standardized test?
(I can answer that last one - yes).
A lot of my concern centers around the idea that in public school "average" kids get overlooked. I now wonder if he's in the right place. Appreciate any feedback from wiser parents!
Average runs 90-110. If he scored around 100, I would be shocked if he qualifies for AAP unless everything else considered (e.g. CoGAT and in class performance and work) strongly suggests the test results were an outlier. Even then I'd think it may end up as an appeal where you need to show additional work samples and explain the pandemic affected his NNAT. Do you have reason to believe he's bored in class or not getting anything from the lessons because he already knew that material?
Nope. He's likely not a good candidate for AAP. I guess my real question is, how much should I care? Can he still get a good education in FCPS? In a middling pyramid?
Yes.
You are the most important factor into whether or not your kid gets a good education.
Anonymous
05/14/2021 12:13
Subject: NNAT results
Anonymous wrote:If TJ and the VA DOEs curriculum changes are any indication, AAP and gifted ed for the younger kids is not going to look like gifted ed.
Most likely test scores and teacher recommendations will be eliminated, replaced with a lottery that weighs race, ESL and free lunch status over grades, test or achievement, just like TJ.
Based off all the changes to Virginia's education, I would suspect that the gifted ed requirement will be eliminated very soon by the DOE.
So I would not really worry to much right now.
Things are very fluid right now in education as the leaders in education are very focused on removing meritocracy and punishing and eliminating recognition of excellence and achievement.
Hold tight. It is going to be a wild ride depending on who wins governor.
Terry is the likely winner for Virginia governor.
His educstion plan is posted in full on his website.
His #1 focus for Virginia schools is advancing "equity"
Two specific things that he mentioned that will affect Northern Virginia, especially places like north Arlington that are very liberal, but very white good for thee but not for me kind of voters, is that his main focus will be to "desegregate" schools in Virginia. His second focus is to achieve this through modifying zoning and housing laws and making developers build low income and multi family housing in high achieving school districts.
On a side note, the board of supervisors is also trying to move in that direction by attempting to change zoning laws in fairfax county to allow customer based businesses and multi families in one home, in single family residential neighborhoods. I believe that failed after public comment. All the poeple who voted them in were outrages when they realized what they voted for might actually apply to them too, and not just other people in other places.
If he wins, which he probably will, get ready for a repeat of this year on steroids.
Thankfully the backlash against removing advanced classes with the proposed math curriculum was so strong they reversed their stance on it. I personally have no problem removing advanced classes as long as we also apply these equity focused policies to sports too. I don't care if Chad is clearly a D1 recruit 5 star quarterback. If Josh, Tommy, Sally, and Jane all want to play quarterback also and are willing to show up to each practice, VHSL should require the coach to give them all equal playing time in a game and rotations as starter. It's certainly not Tommy's fault his height is only 5'7".
Anonymous
05/14/2021 12:06
Subject: NNAT results
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I just noticed my 1st grader's Naglieri score is available on ParentVue. He is smack dab in the middle of average, according to the internet. Does this mean he will likely not be eligible for AAP? Should I even care after this cluster of a year? Has anyone seen scores improve for their own children as they mature? Am I worrying way to much a about a 7 year old's performance on a standardized test?
(I can answer that last one - yes).
A lot of my concern centers around the idea that in public school "average" kids get overlooked. I now wonder if he's in the right place. Appreciate any feedback from wiser parents!
Average runs 90-110. If he scored around 100, I would be shocked if he qualifies for AAP unless everything else considered (e.g. CoGAT and in class performance and work) strongly suggests the test results were an outlier. Even then I'd think it may end up as an appeal where you need to show additional work samples and explain the pandemic affected his NNAT. Do you have reason to believe he's bored in class or not getting anything from the lessons because he already knew that material?
Nope. He's likely not a good candidate for AAP. I guess my real question is, how much should I care? Can he still get a good education in FCPS? In a middling pyramid?
Anonymous
05/14/2021 12:01
Subject: NNAT results
Anonymous wrote:I just noticed my 1st grader's Naglieri score is available on ParentVue. He is smack dab in the middle of average, according to the internet. Does this mean he will likely not be eligible for AAP? Should I even care after this cluster of a year? Has anyone seen scores improve for their own children as they mature? Am I worrying way to much a about a 7 year old's performance on a standardized test?
(I can answer that last one - yes).
A lot of my concern centers around the idea that in public school "average" kids get overlooked. I now wonder if he's in the right place. Appreciate any feedback from wiser parents!
Average runs 90-110. If he scored around 100, I would be shocked if he qualifies for AAP unless everything else considered (e.g. CoGAT and in class performance and work) strongly suggests the test results were an outlier. Even then I'd think it may end up as an appeal where you need to show additional work samples and explain the pandemic affected his NNAT. Do you have reason to believe he's bored in class or not getting anything from the lessons because he already knew that material?
Anonymous
05/14/2021 11:25
Subject: NNAT results
He might have used the term "integration" not "desegregation".
I apologize for any misquote.
I apologize for any misquote.
Anonymous
05/14/2021 11:24
Subject: NNAT results
If TJ and the VA DOEs curriculum changes are any indication, AAP and gifted ed for the younger kids is not going to look like gifted ed.
Most likely test scores and teacher recommendations will be eliminated, replaced with a lottery that weighs race, ESL and free lunch status over grades, test or achievement, just like TJ.
Based off all the changes to Virginia's education, I would suspect that the gifted ed requirement will be eliminated very soon by the DOE.
So I would not really worry to much right now.
Things are very fluid right now in education as the leaders in education are very focused on removing meritocracy and punishing and eliminating recognition of excellence and achievement.
Hold tight. It is going to be a wild ride depending on who wins governor.
Terry is the likely winner for Virginia governor.
His educstion plan is posted in full on his website.
His #1 focus for Virginia schools is advancing "equity"
Two specific things that he mentioned that will affect Northern Virginia, especially places like north Arlington that are very liberal, but very white good for thee but not for me kind of voters, is that his main focus will be to "desegregate" schools in Virginia. His second focus is to achieve this through modifying zoning and housing laws and making developers build low income and multi family housing in high achieving school districts.
On a side note, the board of supervisors is also trying to move in that direction by attempting to change zoning laws in fairfax county to allow customer based businesses and multi families in one home, in single family residential neighborhoods. I believe that failed after public comment. All the poeple who voted them in were outrages when they realized what they voted for might actually apply to them too, and not just other people in other places.
If he wins, which he probably will, get ready for a repeat of this year on steroids.
Most likely test scores and teacher recommendations will be eliminated, replaced with a lottery that weighs race, ESL and free lunch status over grades, test or achievement, just like TJ.
Based off all the changes to Virginia's education, I would suspect that the gifted ed requirement will be eliminated very soon by the DOE.
So I would not really worry to much right now.
Things are very fluid right now in education as the leaders in education are very focused on removing meritocracy and punishing and eliminating recognition of excellence and achievement.
Hold tight. It is going to be a wild ride depending on who wins governor.
Terry is the likely winner for Virginia governor.
His educstion plan is posted in full on his website.
His #1 focus for Virginia schools is advancing "equity"
Two specific things that he mentioned that will affect Northern Virginia, especially places like north Arlington that are very liberal, but very white good for thee but not for me kind of voters, is that his main focus will be to "desegregate" schools in Virginia. His second focus is to achieve this through modifying zoning and housing laws and making developers build low income and multi family housing in high achieving school districts.
On a side note, the board of supervisors is also trying to move in that direction by attempting to change zoning laws in fairfax county to allow customer based businesses and multi families in one home, in single family residential neighborhoods. I believe that failed after public comment. All the poeple who voted them in were outrages when they realized what they voted for might actually apply to them too, and not just other people in other places.
If he wins, which he probably will, get ready for a repeat of this year on steroids.
Anonymous
05/14/2021 11:13
Subject: Re:NNAT results
The in-pool test score for AAP seems to be 132, that has held steady for the last bunch of years. Kids can be parent referred or Teacher referred with lower scores. If the Equity report from a few years ago is to be believed, more kids are accepted who are in-pool then parent referred but there is a percentage of kids who are accepted into AAP with NNAt or CoGAT scores in the 115 range.
Your child should take the CoGAT next year, it is the better of the two tests and the one that the central committee buts more weight on. The GBRS's (look them up on the AAP website) are most important. They are filled out by the Second Grade Teacher and the AART and seem to hold the most weight with the committee.
Your child should take the CoGAT next year, it is the better of the two tests and the one that the central committee buts more weight on. The GBRS's (look them up on the AAP website) are most important. They are filled out by the Second Grade Teacher and the AART and seem to hold the most weight with the committee.
Anonymous
05/14/2021 11:09
Subject: NNAT results
I just noticed my 1st grader's Naglieri score is available on ParentVue. He is smack dab in the middle of average, according to the internet. Does this mean he will likely not be eligible for AAP? Should I even care after this cluster of a year? Has anyone seen scores improve for their own children as they mature? Am I worrying way to much a about a 7 year old's performance on a standardized test?
(I can answer that last one - yes).
A lot of my concern centers around the idea that in public school "average" kids get overlooked. I now wonder if he's in the right place. Appreciate any feedback from wiser parents!
(I can answer that last one - yes).
A lot of my concern centers around the idea that in public school "average" kids get overlooked. I now wonder if he's in the right place. Appreciate any feedback from wiser parents!