Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As has been stated repeatedly in this forum, if you truly want to get your DC looked at appropriately then reach out to the coach of the team you want to be considered for and attend a training session or two. This lets the coach asses your DC independently and also allows him/her to measure your DC's abilities versus the actual team's players.

I get all that and agree completely. But that does not address the point about having more than a couple of distracted eyes trying to evaluate multiple players at tryouts. It is simply a question of effort and getting more than a couple of eyes on players. Really good coaches can vary widely in their assessments of the same players, and having them talk and evaluate together can be useful. It also gives others a lot more confidence in the process. Sort of like the way the rest of the world generally has job candidates see more than a couple of people?

Also as been stated repeatedly here is tryouts are meant to fill in lower teams that some people call "cash grabs." True or not, tryouts aren't meant to find top team players unless there is a clear outlier. Coaches are asked to spot outliers or to ensure they fill in the necessary quota of players to fill the planned number of teams the club wants

You are simply restating what exists; I am questioning whether a different approach with minimal incremental costs could have significantly greater benefit for the club. Yeah. I get what they are doing now. It could be better and is in other places.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As has been stated repeatedly in this forum, if you truly want to get your DC looked at appropriately then reach out to the coach of the team you want to be considered for and attend a training session or two. This lets the coach asses your DC independently and also allows him/her to measure your DC's abilities versus the actual team's players.

I get all that and agree completely. But that does not address the point about having more than a couple of distracted eyes trying to evaluate multiple players at tryouts. It is simply a question of effort and getting more than a couple of eyes on players. Really good coaches can vary widely in their assessments of the same players, and having them talk and evaluate together can be useful. It also gives others a lot more confidence in the process. Sort of like the way the rest of the world generally has job candidates see more than a couple of people?

Also as been stated repeatedly here is tryouts are meant to fill in lower teams that some people call "cash grabs." True or not, tryouts aren't meant to find top team players unless there is a clear outlier. Coaches are asked to spot outliers or to ensure they fill in the necessary quota of players to fill the planned number of teams the club wants

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As has been stated repeatedly in this forum, if you truly want to get your DC looked at appropriately then reach out to the coach of the team you want to be considered for and attend a training session or two. This lets the coach asses your DC independently and also allows him/her to measure your DC's abilities versus the actual team's players.

What level do people think this is appropriate for? I don't see a kid on Arlington Gold calling up BRYC Teal coach and saying...hey can I bring my kid out to be evaluated? I think this is only for top teams or a kid on a 2nd team looking to move to a 1st team. Thoughts?

The level doesn't matter. If you want your DC to move to another club and actually want a better chance then speaking to the age group director is the way to go. You can explain what team your DC is currently on and that you either believe they are better than where they currently are or want to get looked at for fitment. The AGD can then refer you to the team that may fit best.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find the limited number of coaches at tryouts to be shocking. We have been at tryouts in a relatively comparable area for soccer and have seen upwards of 7 coaches present to evaluate 30-40 players for top teams. Recently, at a really good club’s top boy tryouts, we saw 2-3 coaches looking at three different age groups. Not too impressive if you are trying to show that it is a credible and substantial process. This is a pretty low-cost, low-commitment opportunity to demonstrate a real dedication to your pipeline. Frankly, some of the clubs need to do a lot, lot better.

I agree; may I ask what club?

SYC

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I find the limited number of coaches at tryouts to be shocking. We have been at tryouts in a relatively comparable area for soccer and have seen upwards of 7 coaches present to evaluate 30-40 players for top teams. Recently, at a really good club’s top boy tryouts, we saw 2-3 coaches looking at three different age groups. Not too impressive if you are trying to show that it is a credible and substantial process. This is a pretty low-cost, low-commitment opportunity to demonstrate a real dedication to your pipeline. Frankly, some of the clubs need to do a lot, lot better.

The tryouts are really just a triage to find kids to ask to practice with the top teams. The practices are the real tryouts.

So explain 7 coaches and 30-40 kids at a supplemental tryout? Are they just dumb? Or perhaps they are taking it a little more seriously?

[quote=Anonymous]When you say top team/clubs. They pretty much know who is who at the top age groups in this area. Yes kids move to this area but most of the kids that play a higher level have had some communication or a practice with the top squad. ID clinics are to make the masses happy that a kid gets looked at. Also most of the big clubs will only take a kid of they need one but they have to be a lot better then who is being replaced. Not even or a little better. [/quote]

No kidding. I know all this. We have been to a few rodeos. I still think you are missing the point about the impact of different systems on kids and their families. And given the garbage coming out on the other side of many of these clubs, I really wonder if this kind of low-effort system is really a high-quality system.

Anonymous wrote:As has been stated repeatedly in this forum, if you truly want to get your DC looked at appropriately then reach out to the coach of the team you want to be considered for and attend a training session or two. This lets the coach asses your DC independently and also allows him/her to measure your DC's abilities versus the actual team's players.

What level do people think this is appropriate for? I don't see a kid on Arlington Gold calling up BRYC Teal coach and saying...hey can I bring my kid out to be evaluated? I think this is only for top teams or a kid on a 2nd team looking to move to a 1st team. Thoughts?

Anonymous wrote:I find the limited number of coaches at tryouts to be shocking. We have been at tryouts in a relatively comparable area for soccer and have seen upwards of 7 coaches present to evaluate 30-40 players for top teams. Recently, at a really good club’s top boy tryouts, we saw 2-3 coaches looking at three different age groups. Not too impressive if you are trying to show that it is a credible and substantial process. This is a pretty low-cost, low-commitment opportunity to demonstrate a real dedication to your pipeline. Frankly, some of the clubs need to do a lot, lot better.

The tryouts are really just a triage to find kids to ask to practice with the top teams. The practices are the real tryouts.

Anonymous wrote:As has been stated repeatedly in this forum, if you truly want to get your DC looked at appropriately then reach out to the coach of the team you want to be considered for and attend a training session or two. This lets the coach asses your DC independently and also allows him/her to measure your DC's abilities versus the actual team's players.

I get all that and agree completely. But that does not address the point about having more than a couple of distracted eyes trying to evaluate multiple players at tryouts. It is simply a question of effort and getting more than a couple of eyes on players. Really good coaches can vary widely in their assessments of the same players, and having them talk and evaluate together can be useful. It also gives others a lot more confidence in the process. Sort of like the way the rest of the world generally has job candidates see more than a couple of people?

When you say top team/clubs. They pretty much know who is who at the top age groups in this area. Yes kids move to this area but most of the kids that play a higher level have had some communication or a practice with the top squad. ID clinics are to make the masses happy that a kid gets looked at. Also most of the big clubs will only take a kid of they need one but they have to be a lot better then who is being replaced. Not even or a little better.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As has been stated repeatedly in this forum, if you truly want to get your DC looked at appropriately then reach out to the coach of the team you want to be considered for and attend a training session or two. This lets the coach asses your DC independently and also allows him/her to measure your DC's abilities versus the actual team's players.

+1. SOP around here...reach out to the club/coach to attend a training session or two they will set you up. The actual number of new players that were not well known to the coaches (not regular players and not players that have attended training sessions/guested) at your tryouts was probably 4 or 5 players not 30-40.

an for the returning players, the coaches already know where they will be replaced, three or four hours of tryouts over a week is not changing anything

Anonymous wrote:As has been stated repeatedly in this forum, if you truly want to get your DC looked at appropriately then reach out to the coach of the team you want to be considered for and attend a training session or two. This lets the coach asses your DC independently and also allows him/her to measure your DC's abilities versus the actual team's players.

+1. SOP around here...reach out to the club/coach to attend a training session or two they will set you up. The actual number of new players that were not well known to the coaches (not regular players and not players that have attended training sessions/guested) at your tryouts was probably 4 or 5 players not 30-40.

As has been stated repeatedly in this forum, if you truly want to get your DC looked at appropriately then reach out to the coach of the team you want to be considered for and attend a training session or two. This lets the coach asses your DC independently and also allows him/her to measure your DC's abilities versus the actual team's players.

Anonymous wrote:I find the limited number of coaches at tryouts to be shocking. We have been at tryouts in a relatively comparable area for soccer and have seen upwards of 7 coaches present to evaluate 30-40 players for top teams. Recently, at a really good club’s top boy tryouts, we saw 2-3 coaches looking at three different age groups. Not too impressive if you are trying to show that it is a credible and substantial process. This is a pretty low-cost, low-commitment opportunity to demonstrate a real dedication to your pipeline. Frankly, some of the clubs need to do a lot, lot better.

I agree; may I ask what club?

I find the limited number of coaches at tryouts to be shocking. We have been at tryouts in a relatively comparable area for soccer and have seen upwards of 7 coaches present to evaluate 30-40 players for top teams. Recently, at a really good club’s top boy tryouts, we saw 2-3 coaches looking at three different age groups. Not too impressive if you are trying to show that it is a credible and substantial process. This is a pretty low-cost, low-commitment opportunity to demonstrate a real dedication to your pipeline. Frankly, some of the clubs need to do a lot, lot better.