Anonymous
Post 04/30/2021 18:09     Subject: Excuses clubs use to keep you
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have to ask what excuses have you heard in the clubs attempt to retain players?

Maybe your child will be promised n a higher level team?
Maybe free practices with older age groups?

My favorite was DS team had lost after lost for 2 years in U9 -U10 age and club would tell us not worry about the outcome. We were in fact developing our team and some teams that beat us did the kick and run but others outplayed us the right way. We have moved to another club and happier with our decision. Our son is understanding the game more and passes are more thought out. He's old teammates in the other hand are still losing game after game.


I would gladly show you the door. I have never liked these kinds of parents at this age and their kids often become toxic. Have a nice day.


The kind of parent that moves teams because the coaching is poor and seeks out a coach who actually develops players? Why wouldn't you like that type of parent?


That’s not what he said. But also the kind of parent who willfully misrepresents things, like you. Out. Now. Get a life and a new club.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2021 16:12     Subject: Excuses clubs use to keep you
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have to ask what excuses have you heard in the clubs attempt to retain players?

Maybe your child will be promised n a higher level team?
Maybe free practices with older age groups?

My favorite was DS team had lost after lost for 2 years in U9 -U10 age and club would tell us not worry about the outcome. We were in fact developing our team and some teams that beat us did the kick and run but others outplayed us the right way. We have moved to another club and happier with our decision. Our son is understanding the game more and passes are more thought out. He's old teammates in the other hand are still losing game after game.


I would gladly show you the door. I have never liked these kinds of parents at this age and their kids often become toxic. Have a nice day.


The kind of parent that moves teams because the coaching is poor and seeks out a coach who actually develops players? Why wouldn't you like that type of parent?


Maybe the talent just isn't there. Players can still improve even if the team isn't winning.
And of course your son is understanding the game more and the passes are more thought out--that comes with getting older.


Maybe the talent isn't there to win the league, but it would be rare to not have enough talent to at least finish mid-table with a good coach. And the key is indeed improvement. So if your team lost every game by six goals in the first half of the season and is now losing by just 1 or 2 goals and drawing the occasional game then I would agree that it is likely there has been development and the coaching has been useful. To be certain of course yopu'd need to watch the games and see the kids play. But if after two years your kids are getting the same results as initially then the coaching needs closer inspection.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2021 16:07     Subject: Excuses clubs use to keep you
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but winning at u9 and u10 isn’t the top goal. It’s not an excuse to tell parents and players to give it some time to develop and get better.


If you're still losing most games after two years it is most certainly an excuse. Development produces winning in a much shorter timeframe than that.


Players can still develop in a losing environment. What about BRYC as an example? They are called out frequently because of their poor W/L record in ECNL, yet several players still end up developing enough to play in college (at some level or other). Please note I didn't say BRYC developed all of them--I know players come and go but some of them didn't go and still develop to level good enough to play HS.

Players developing in losing environments happens across all sports. The NFL draft is a good example of this where many players get drafted and/or end up playing in the league even though they may have come from schools with losing records during their tenure there.


Players can indeed develop in spite of poor coaching. But they develop much better with good coaching. And good coaching produces winning teams after some period of time. So a losing environment, ir over a prtotracted period, is indicative of poor coaching and therefore of players who have not benefited from as much development as they might have under a different coach.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2021 15:46     Subject: Excuses clubs use to keep you
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have to ask what excuses have you heard in the clubs attempt to retain players?

Maybe your child will be promised n a higher level team?
Maybe free practices with older age groups?

My favorite was DS team had lost after lost for 2 years in U9 -U10 age and club would tell us not worry about the outcome. We were in fact developing our team and some teams that beat us did the kick and run but others outplayed us the right way. We have moved to another club and happier with our decision. Our son is understanding the game more and passes are more thought out. He's old teammates in the other hand are still losing game after game.


I would gladly show you the door. I have never liked these kinds of parents at this age and their kids often become toxic. Have a nice day.


The kind of parent that moves teams because the coaching is poor and seeks out a coach who actually develops players? Why wouldn't you like that type of parent?


Maybe the talent just isn't there. Players can still improve even if the team isn't winning.
And of course your son is understanding the game more and the passes are more thought out--that comes with getting older.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2021 15:44     Subject: Excuses clubs use to keep you
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but winning at u9 and u10 isn’t the top goal. It’s not an excuse to tell parents and players to give it some time to develop and get better.


If you're still losing most games after two years it is most certainly an excuse. Development produces winning in a much shorter timeframe than that.


Players can still develop in a losing environment. What about BRYC as an example? They are called out frequently because of their poor W/L record in ECNL, yet several players still end up developing enough to play in college (at some level or other). Please note I didn't say BRYC developed all of them--I know players come and go but some of them didn't go and still develop to level good enough to play HS.

Players developing in losing environments happens across all sports. The NFL draft is a good example of this where many players get drafted and/or end up playing in the league even though they may have come from schools with losing records during their tenure there.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2021 15:23     Subject: Excuses clubs use to keep you
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I have to ask what excuses have you heard in the clubs attempt to retain players?

Maybe your child will be promised n a higher level team?
Maybe free practices with older age groups?

My favorite was DS team had lost after lost for 2 years in U9 -U10 age and club would tell us not worry about the outcome. We were in fact developing our team and some teams that beat us did the kick and run but others outplayed us the right way. We have moved to another club and happier with our decision. Our son is understanding the game more and passes are more thought out. He's old teammates in the other hand are still losing game after game.


I would gladly show you the door. I have never liked these kinds of parents at this age and their kids often become toxic. Have a nice day.


The kind of parent that moves teams because the coaching is poor and seeks out a coach who actually develops players? Why wouldn't you like that type of parent?
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2021 15:13     Subject: Excuses clubs use to keep you
Anonymous wrote:I have to ask what excuses have you heard in the clubs attempt to retain players?

Maybe your child will be promised n a higher level team?
Maybe free practices with older age groups?

My favorite was DS team had lost after lost for 2 years in U9 -U10 age and club would tell us not worry about the outcome. We were in fact developing our team and some teams that beat us did the kick and run but others outplayed us the right way. We have moved to another club and happier with our decision. Our son is understanding the game more and passes are more thought out. He's old teammates in the other hand are still losing game after game.


I would gladly show you the door. I have never liked these kinds of parents at this age and their kids often become toxic. Have a nice day.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2021 15:09     Subject: Excuses clubs use to keep you
Anonymous wrote:Sorry, but winning at u9 and u10 isn’t the top goal. It’s not an excuse to tell parents and players to give it some time to develop and get better.


If you're still losing most games after two years it is most certainly an excuse. Development produces winning in a much shorter timeframe than that.
Anonymous
Post 04/30/2021 15:01     Subject: Excuses clubs use to keep you
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Oh boy here we go.


Talking about u9 and u10 lol


Don't be a jerk. This is a youth soccer forum, it's perfectly fine to talk about U9 and u10. If you don't have anything constructive to say, or at least something funny or witty, feel free to ignore this thread.

To the OP: our club hasn't used excuses to keep players. There were no tryouts last year, so everyone was offered to stay on the team. In past years, our club just bumped underperforming kids to lower teams. I guess they had enough parents willing to take those spots that they didn't have to offer special arrangements to anybody.


Not being a jerk. But the “excuses that a club will give you to keep you there” at age 8 and 9 is just ridiculous.

Sorry, but winning at u9 and u10 isn’t the top goal. It’s not an excuse to tell parents and players to give it some time to develop and get better.

And great- you added nothing to the thread because you haven’t been in the situation he is asking about.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 13:13     Subject: Excuses clubs use to keep you
Anonymous wrote:LMVSC pressured us into staying last year saying all sorts of local clubs won't allow us, leagues are removing certain clubs, etc.


No one pressured anyone. We were asked to return and did but were not forced.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 12:17     Subject: Excuses clubs use to keep you
LMVSC pressured us into staying last year saying all sorts of local clubs won't allow us, leagues are removing certain clubs, etc.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 12:06     Subject: Excuses clubs use to keep you
Anonymous wrote:Oh boy here we go.


Talking about u9 and u10 lol


Don't be a jerk. This is a youth soccer forum, it's perfectly fine to talk about U9 and u10. If you don't have anything constructive to say, or at least something funny or witty, feel free to ignore this thread.

To the OP: our club hasn't used excuses to keep players. There were no tryouts last year, so everyone was offered to stay on the team. In past years, our club just bumped underperforming kids to lower teams. I guess they had enough parents willing to take those spots that they didn't have to offer special arrangements to anybody.
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 11:36     Subject: Excuses clubs use to keep you
Oh boy here we go.


Talking about u9 and u10 lol
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 11:35     Subject: Excuses clubs use to keep you
Anonymous wrote:I have to ask what excuses have you heard in the clubs attempt to retain players?

Maybe your child will be promised n a higher level team?
Maybe free practices with older age groups?

My favorite was DS team had lost after lost for 2 years in U9 -U10 age and club would tell us not worry about the outcome. We were in fact developing our team and some teams that beat us did the kick and run but others outplayed us the right way. We have moved to another club and happier with our decision. Our son is understanding the game more and passes are more thought out. He's old teammates in the other hand are still losing game after game.


Sounds like you were at McLean
Anonymous
Post 04/29/2021 11:33     Subject: Excuses clubs use to keep you
I have to ask what excuses have you heard in the clubs attempt to retain players?

Maybe your child will be promised n a higher level team?
Maybe free practices with older age groups?

My favorite was DS team had lost after lost for 2 years in U9 -U10 age and club would tell us not worry about the outcome. We were in fact developing our team and some teams that beat us did the kick and run but others outplayed us the right way. We have moved to another club and happier with our decision. Our son is understanding the game more and passes are more thought out. He's old teammates in the other hand are still losing game after game.