Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 09:08     Subject: A better way? U8-U15 soccer

Well they actually had a smart way to do it (ODP), but everyone shits on that now, especially since elite private clubs took over. You could have the relatively local playing clubs, but then your best players tryout for a state pool that plays other states or regions. This way your average player doesn't have to travel insane amounts and you push the best players to the top no matter where they come from. Now the big clubs keep all the players paying vast sums of money and crazy travel for everyone.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 09:07     Subject: A better way? U8-U15 soccer

There’s countless articles and posts about how bad the US pay to play system is. Nothing discussed in this thread is/will be any different.

How about using DCUM to organize more free play soccer for the kids? It doesn’t have to be a full 11v11 game but rather smaller groups such as 5v5, etc. Winner stays just like street basketball.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 09:07     Subject: Re:A better way? U8-U15 soccer

Anonymous wrote:Maybe because the U.S. isn't Europe.

American kids don't turn to futbal as their go to sport like the rest of the world. That's changing with steady ethnic and cultural diversification but soccer has another 50 years before it's as mainstream as football and basketball in the U.S. I agree it's not the most efficient system but the structure does separate - relatively quickly - players and families willing to commit and pursue the sport at an increasingly more competitive level. Those kids who want to play, but don't want to travel out of their neighborhood, have the option to play in recreational leagues within their club as well as cross-over recreational leagues like the Suburban Friends League in NoVA. Once you navigate to the travel teams, you can select more geographically localized clubs who play NCSL and drive 30 - 60 minutes for a game. Beyond that, however, greater competition means more driving so that you're not playing the same teams over and over again.

BTW, losing to a local team 0 - 7 doesn't feel any better than losing to a team you drive 4 hours to play especially if you to play the local team three or four times knowing they'll beat you 0 - 7 each time.



We are clearly speaking from different perspectives. None of the travel soccer players I have seen will play professionally. Statistical odds and also having played with kids who went on to get signed by clubs. What looks like “commitment” to you looks like being played as chumps to me - and more importantly wasting precious hours of childhood driving around on weekends (instead of actually playing) for the chance of maybe just 4 more years playing the game in college. I played 4-6 hours a DAY growing up. No fancy uniforms or leagues or “elite” nonsense. The kids I played with who turned pro were taken out of regular schools and paid to come to an academy - they were massively better than other kids even at 10-11 and still, most of them didn’t make it as professional players even after 5-6 years of full-time professional training. The idea that weekend trips to WVA, PA or SC are somehow a match for that and will make a difference....

I basically just want a no-BS set-up where parent needs are minimized and kids experience is prioritized. I want my kid to still be playing at 40 as I was because they love the game, not quitting at 14 as so many do here.


Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 09:05     Subject: A better way? U8-U15 soccer

Anonymous wrote:With an incompetent national federation, generally ignorant populace, tiny professional structure that is spread over a massive geographical area, and an infrastructure of local neighborhood clubs controlling fields this is where we are stuck. Lots of competing “elite” money grab leagues with coaches and administrators looking out for their paychecks over the good of the players and actual development.

There should be regionalized competitive structure with a defined pathway for players (local neighborhood rec - local travel - regional travel) where coaches actively push players to the appropriate level, but instead coaches cling to players that can win them games. The extra long travel component that has developed over the past 10 years is ridiculous, especially in an area like this. Time and cost are out of control.


+1
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 08:50     Subject: A better way? U8-U15 soccer

With an incompetent national federation, generally ignorant populace, tiny professional structure that is spread over a massive geographical area, and an infrastructure of local neighborhood clubs controlling fields this is where we are stuck. Lots of competing “elite” money grab leagues with coaches and administrators looking out for their paychecks over the good of the players and actual development.

There should be regionalized competitive structure with a defined pathway for players (local neighborhood rec - local travel - regional travel) where coaches actively push players to the appropriate level, but instead coaches cling to players that can win them games. The extra long travel component that has developed over the past 10 years is ridiculous, especially in an area like this. Time and cost are out of control.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 08:43     Subject: Re:A better way? U8-U15 soccer

Maybe because the U.S. isn't Europe.

American kids don't turn to futbal as their go to sport like the rest of the world. That's changing with steady ethnic and cultural diversification but soccer has another 50 years before it's as mainstream as football and basketball in the U.S. I agree it's not the most efficient system but the structure does separate - relatively quickly - players and families willing to commit and pursue the sport at an increasingly more competitive level. Those kids who want to play, but don't want to travel out of their neighborhood, have the option to play in recreational leagues within their club as well as cross-over recreational leagues like the Suburban Friends League in NoVA. Once you navigate to the travel teams, you can select more geographically localized clubs who play NCSL and drive 30 - 60 minutes for a game. Beyond that, however, greater competition means more driving so that you're not playing the same teams over and over again.

BTW, losing to a local team 0 - 7 doesn't feel any better than losing to a team you drive 4 hours to play especially if you to play the local team three or four times knowing they'll beat you 0 - 7 each time.

Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 08:33     Subject: A better way? U8-U15 soccer

Anonymous wrote:If you’ve ever heard Tony Meola talk about growing up in Kearney, NJ - along with Tab Ramos and John Harkes - he credits that type of environment with the success they and other players had - playing a lot of pickup and learning from the older guys. There’s little doubt in my mind that is the best way for players to develop. There are small pieces of that in some Latino communities in the area, but certainly not the norm.


Yep. My brother played in the adult embassy leagues at 13. They used to pay him $100 for goals . He was a top recruit, went on to play professionally.

My dad would never have been able to afford travel for all 3 of us back in the day. Travel was volunteer coaches back then. My dad was one of them. He learned and absorbed everything he could from a Dutch friend- that was on Ajax youth team at U17 and came on college scholarship to the US.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 08:32     Subject: Re:A better way? U8-U15 soccer

Anonymous wrote:There are lots of options to have the experience you want, OP. Our kid plays for a lower level travel team, and wants to stay there rather than than move up because it’s an NCSL team, which means all of his games are within an hour’s drive. He has fun, likes his teammates, and doesn’t feel compelled to advance in rankings because it’s not like there’s a realistic chance he’s going to play professional soccer someday. If he can play in college for a D3 team he’d be happy, but it’s not the be-all and end-all of life.


Lol. I’m guessing you’ve never had an away game on Kent island or in West Virginia
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 08:29     Subject: Re:A better way? U8-U15 soccer

I found my kids pick up play as much as I could—driving to different parks/fields and had them learn as many different styles as possible young. Exposed them to Dutch training, Spanish, English trainers. We passed on Clubs with tons of travel (can tell by leagues and tournament) published on websites. We did some smaller clubs. It was enjoyable and kept it fun while still being competitive.

I see the benefit now as teens. They are just now entering those more “elite” leagues but we avoided it first list if their youth.

I agree. The system absolutely sucks here...and it’s expensive.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 08:27     Subject: A better way? U8-U15 soccer

If you’ve ever heard Tony Meola talk about growing up in Kearney, NJ - along with Tab Ramos and John Harkes - he credits that type of environment with the success they and other players had - playing a lot of pickup and learning from the older guys. There’s little doubt in my mind that is the best way for players to develop. There are small pieces of that in some Latino communities in the area, but certainly not the norm.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 08:25     Subject: A better way? U8-U15 soccer

The other option is NCSL. It's a big league where they make a big effort of keeping the youngest kids local. I am dying with my 11-year-old who is in CCL. It is ridiculous.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 08:21     Subject: A better way? U8-U15 soccer

I do like the idea of younger kids just playing organized pick up games each week, with group practices during the week. Could even do stations with speciality coaches. First 15 minutes go to foot skills station, then passing, then 1 on 1 attacking/defending, then movement off ball/space/teamwork, then last 15 minute small sided games. 1hr 15mins 2-3 times a week. Then weekend game day you show up to field for 2hours at a certain time and location, teams are formed by an adult/coach, you get 15 minutes to warm up and meet teammates, and then play three 30 minute round robin matches with refs. With 5 minutes between games.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 08:20     Subject: Re:A better way? U8-U15 soccer

There are lots of options to have the experience you want, OP. Our kid plays for a lower level travel team, and wants to stay there rather than than move up because it’s an NCSL team, which means all of his games are within an hour’s drive. He has fun, likes his teammates, and doesn’t feel compelled to advance in rankings because it’s not like there’s a realistic chance he’s going to play professional soccer someday. If he can play in college for a D3 team he’d be happy, but it’s not the be-all and end-all of life.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 08:12     Subject: A better way? U8-U15 soccer

Welcome to our shores. Americans DGAF about soccer or developing soccer players. Soccer is merely an organized activity for our children. It is organized by age so that classmates can play together.
Anonymous
Post 04/20/2021 08:05     Subject: A better way? U8-U15 soccer

I grew up in Europe and find the youth travel soccer business here completely alien. Why have 9 and 10 year olds sit in a car for 4 hours on a weekend to go beat some poor team 7-0 just to preserve, for proud parents, the conceit that they can’t get a competitive game locally? Why not have them out in local park playing - surely switching those 5 hours with just an hour of playing time for a couple of hours coaching and a couple of hours of scrimmages/pick-up games would do far more for their development (not to mention a more fun childhood)? This strict focus on playing age-groups together is also weird to me - I learnt the most soccer from trying to keep up with the older kids from the neighborhood.

The non-travel teams apparently often have crap/parent coaches though.

Is there a third option? High quality regular (2-3x/wk) coaching with games against the best of neighborhood/city teams and maybe travel to a tournament once a season?

Bethesda has options for something like this?