Anonymous
Post 04/09/2021 19:33     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Probably consistency for organization/grading. If kids are submitting assignments in a bunch of different ways, it’s harder for the teacher to keep track of everything. Also, some of the math assignments submitted through apps are auto-graded instead of hand graded, so submitting it separately as a screenshot requires a bunch of extra work for the teacher.

If your kid does better on paper, why don’t they do it on paper and then enter their answers into the program?


Too bad. That's the teacher's job! There is no reason a student shouldn't be allowed to do the work on paper - it's better for learning math anyway - even if the student then has to re-enter everything digitally. If it's a timed test, that student should be allowed more time to complete it. The teacher's interest should be the student learning the material, not making grading easier.


Sure, when a math teacher is grading 200 student assignments a week, let’s let students submit it in whatever form suits their fancy, no matter how much extra work it creates.


Their job is to teach so the students learn. I seriously doubt there would be 200 or even 100 different forms of submission or so many variants that the teacher's job would be unduly burdensome to grade math problems. English teachers have to grade papers - each unique from every single student, not the same math problems for whole classes.

I understand people wanting to support teachers. But accommodating a student's needs in order to be able to do their work sometimes supercedes teacher convenience or preference.
Anonymous
Post 04/09/2021 19:24     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"
Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Probably consistency for organization/grading. If kids are submitting assignments in a bunch of different ways, it’s harder for the teacher to keep track of everything. Also, some of the math assignments submitted through apps are auto-graded instead of hand graded, so submitting it separately as a screenshot requires a bunch of extra work for the teacher.

If your kid does better on paper, why don’t they do it on paper and then enter their answers into the program?



Too bad. That's the teacher's job! There is no reason a student shouldn't be allowed to do the work on paper - it's better for learning math anyway - even if the student then has to re-enter everything digitally. If it's a timed test, that student should be allowed more time to complete it. The teacher's interest should be the student learning the material, not making grading easier.


Maybe the students' writing is sloppy. Maybe the pictures the students are sending are blurry and the teacher can't read them. There are lots of reasons why the teacher might do this. When you are a certified teacher, you can set the rules for your classroom. Until then, please help your child to follow directions.


Then the teacher should be clearly explaining why the student isn't permitted to do their work on paper. As a parent, my job is to support my child's learning and advocate for things they need in order to learn. If they need to write out their math work, then I'm going to ask about it and expect an appropriate response from the teacher. The teacher can set rules; but the teacher can also accommodate student needs or explain why they can't.
Anonymous
Post 04/09/2021 17:57     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Probably consistency for organization/grading. If kids are submitting assignments in a bunch of different ways, it’s harder for the teacher to keep track of everything. Also, some of the math assignments submitted through apps are auto-graded instead of hand graded, so submitting it separately as a screenshot requires a bunch of extra work for the teacher.

If your kid does better on paper, why don’t they do it on paper and then enter their answers into the program?


Too bad. That's the teacher's job! There is no reason a student shouldn't be allowed to do the work on paper - it's better for learning math anyway - even if the student then has to re-enter everything digitally. If it's a timed test, that student should be allowed more time to complete it. The teacher's interest should be the student learning the material, not making grading easier.


Sure, when a math teacher is grading 200 student assignments a week, let’s let students submit it in whatever form suits their fancy, no matter how much extra work it creates.
Anonymous
Post 04/09/2021 12:55     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"
Is this just homework or in class work, too? DC's teacher uses Go Formative as the math platform and can apparently see in real-time as the kids are writing and working so can correct them on the spot if they are having difficulty with something.

I too much prefer paper, but I have to admit I see the value in a virtual environment.
Anonymous
Post 04/09/2021 12:30     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"


Anonymous wrote:
Probably consistency for organization/grading. If kids are submitting assignments in a bunch of different ways, it’s harder for the teacher to keep track of everything. Also, some of the math assignments submitted through apps are auto-graded instead of hand graded, so submitting it separately as a screenshot requires a bunch of extra work for the teacher.

If your kid does better on paper, why don’t they do it on paper and then enter their answers into the program?



Too bad. That's the teacher's job! There is no reason a student shouldn't be allowed to do the work on paper - it's better for learning math anyway - even if the student then has to re-enter everything digitally. If it's a timed test, that student should be allowed more time to complete it. The teacher's interest should be the student learning the material, not making grading easier.


Maybe the students' writing is sloppy. Maybe the pictures the students are sending are blurry and the teacher can't read them. There are lots of reasons why the teacher might do this. When you are a certified teacher, you can set the rules for your classroom. Until then, please help your child to follow directions.
Anonymous
Post 04/09/2021 10:35     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"
Anonymous wrote:Probably consistency for organization/grading. If kids are submitting assignments in a bunch of different ways, it’s harder for the teacher to keep track of everything. Also, some of the math assignments submitted through apps are auto-graded instead of hand graded, so submitting it separately as a screenshot requires a bunch of extra work for the teacher.

If your kid does better on paper, why don’t they do it on paper and then enter their answers into the program?


Yes and no. The work is most likely being submitted in go formative. Those are autocorrected unless there are a lot of possible answers. The students absolutely need to show their work and there is no reason it has to be done with the stylus. Taking a pic and uploading to the problem itself is no extra work for grading. Showing work is important so the student and teacher can see where they went wrong.
Anonymous
Post 04/09/2021 10:07     Subject: APS - why "no paper"
Anonymous wrote:That’s your teacher, not an APS policy.


Yes. My two WMS students can do their work on paper and upload it.
Anonymous
Post 04/09/2021 09:59     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"
Anonymous wrote:Probably consistency for organization/grading. If kids are submitting assignments in a bunch of different ways, it’s harder for the teacher to keep track of everything. Also, some of the math assignments submitted through apps are auto-graded instead of hand graded, so submitting it separately as a screenshot requires a bunch of extra work for the teacher.

If your kid does better on paper, why don’t they do it on paper and then enter their answers into the program?


Too bad. That's the teacher's job! There is no reason a student shouldn't be allowed to do the work on paper - it's better for learning math anyway - even if the student then has to re-enter everything digitally. If it's a timed test, that student should be allowed more time to complete it. The teacher's interest should be the student learning the material, not making grading easier.
Anonymous
Post 04/09/2021 09:12     Subject: APS - why "no paper"
That’s your teacher, not an APS policy.
Anonymous
Post 04/09/2021 09:11     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"
Anonymous wrote:Probably consistency for organization/grading. If kids are submitting assignments in a bunch of different ways, it’s harder for the teacher to keep track of everything. Also, some of the math assignments submitted through apps are auto-graded instead of hand graded, so submitting it separately as a screenshot requires a bunch of extra work for the teacher.

If your kid does better on paper, why don’t they do it on paper and then enter their answers into the program?


+1

We ultimately got DC a stylus to make it easier to write out the "show work" sections in those apps when there wasn't the option to upload a pic of work on paper.
Anonymous
Post 04/09/2021 09:08     Subject: Re:APS - why "no paper"
Probably consistency for organization/grading. If kids are submitting assignments in a bunch of different ways, it’s harder for the teacher to keep track of everything. Also, some of the math assignments submitted through apps are auto-graded instead of hand graded, so submitting it separately as a screenshot requires a bunch of extra work for the teacher.

If your kid does better on paper, why don’t they do it on paper and then enter their answers into the program?
Anonymous
Post 04/09/2021 09:08     Subject: APS - why "no paper"
My SMS middle schooler must do all math on paper or whiteboard and upload a pic.
Anonymous
Post 04/09/2021 09:05     Subject: APS - why "no paper"
Ask the teacher. My kids are both required by different teachers to do their work on paper and upload it. This isn’t an APS thing.
Anonymous
Post 04/09/2021 09:04     Subject: APS - why "no paper"
That makes no sense. My sixth grader tends to rush through work and so her WMS teacher actually encouraged her to slow down and do it on paper.
Anonymous
Post 04/09/2021 09:02     Subject: APS - why "no paper"
My MS child told me that he asked to do math on paper instead of the ipad and the teacher refused the request, said all work needs to be done on the ipad.. WHY?? What is wrong with a child trying to actually do the work on paper and take a pic/upload to the ipad? What is wrong with this!?!??!
-WMS parent.