Anonymous
Post 02/16/2021 21:54     Subject: “It was business as usual” — DCUM had better information than the Capitol Police about 1/6

The concept is signal and noise is instructive in these types of circumstances.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2021 21:41     Subject: “It was business as usual” — DCUM had better information than the Capitol Police about 1/6

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:People were posting on the Capitol Hill NextDoor page with information about detailed plans they found online to take over the Capitol. My freakin' cousin in Nashville was posting things he found on Parler about people coming to storm the Capitol on Facebook. This information was EVERYWHERE. The only reason it was not taken seriously was a) if someone didn't want to take it seriously or b) if someone simply didn't believe white people pose a threat.


I saw it on facebook too. Don't know how they could have -not- seen it.

Assume they thought white people wouldn't do this?
Or, that white right wingers would behave as well as the left wing protestors and just allow themselves to be arrested?


Giving them some benefit of the doubt, maybe they did assume it would be like the (completely peaceful) women’s march, or the well-mannered left winf civil disobedience where people announce their intent to sit in and be arrested peacefully. but time and time again, the far right has shown they will go much further than the left.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2021 17:30     Subject: “It was business as usual” — DCUM had better information than the Capitol Police about 1/6

Anonymous wrote:People were posting on the Capitol Hill NextDoor page with information about detailed plans they found online to take over the Capitol. My freakin' cousin in Nashville was posting things he found on Parler about people coming to storm the Capitol on Facebook. This information was EVERYWHERE. The only reason it was not taken seriously was a) if someone didn't want to take it seriously or b) if someone simply didn't believe white people pose a threat.


I saw it on facebook too. Don't know how they could have -not- seen it.

Assume they thought white people wouldn't do this?
Or, that white right wingers would behave as well as the left wing protestors and just allow themselves to be arrested?
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2021 16:20     Subject: “It was business as usual” — DCUM had better information than the Capitol Police about 1/6

Anonymous wrote:People were posting on the Capitol Hill NextDoor page with information about detailed plans they found online to take over the Capitol. My freakin' cousin in Nashville was posting things he found on Parler about people coming to storm the Capitol on Facebook. This information was EVERYWHERE. The only reason it was not taken seriously was a) if someone didn't want to take it seriously or b) if someone simply didn't believe white people pose a threat.


I think this was the heart of it. Wasn't there the memo that declared the DC NG would not be allowed to carry weapons or defend the capitol? It was intentionally under-resourced.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2021 16:04     Subject: “It was business as usual” — DCUM had better information than the Capitol Police about 1/6

People were posting on the Capitol Hill NextDoor page with information about detailed plans they found online to take over the Capitol. My freakin' cousin in Nashville was posting things he found on Parler about people coming to storm the Capitol on Facebook. This information was EVERYWHERE. The only reason it was not taken seriously was a) if someone didn't want to take it seriously or b) if someone simply didn't believe white people pose a threat.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2021 15:49     Subject: “It was business as usual” — DCUM had better information than the Capitol Police about 1/6

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I really think it came down to a blindspot based on the race and the political ideology of those who attended the January 6 rally.

White cops with conservative beliefs didn't believe a crowd of white conservatives who supposedly "back the Blue" would do this. They didn't prepare because they mistakenly thought the crowd was an ally to police.

Look at the backlash by the white-dominated police union against the acting Capitol police chief - a black woman. She is also in charge of cleaning house and figuring out if anyone on the inside was coordinating with the insurrectionists.

In short, the police command at the time of the insurrection didn't want to believe the crowd was capable of this BECAUSE they identified with the crowd. It was a huge blindspot.


This. I think some people thought "Blue Lives Matter" meant that the protestors sided with the cops, rather than that the protestors thought the cops sided with them. They were supporting the right of the police to suppress BLM and brutalize black people; they supported the cops when they were engaged in defending existing racial hierarchies. Some people did take the slogan at face value (probably as a result of their own racial blind spots), while others were sympathetic shared the white supremacy of the protestors. I think they were basically high on their own supply; having been told, and telling themselves, that black people/BLM and their allies were the real threat, they were unable to see the threat right in front of them. I mean, a QAnon guy was responsible for the attack on Comet Pizza -- anyone who thinks that people that deep into racist, anti-Semitic conspiracy theories aren't dangerous is fooling themselves.


I think this is definitely part of it. But I did talk to a police friend of mine who was there (different agency) who said that all the planning seemed to assume relatively peaceful daytime demonstrations, because that's what they had had all summer with BLM. And that at night, people would take advantage of the situation and start getting rowdy or destructive.


In the article above, however, the Capitol Police officers said that their preparation for 1/6 was way less than their preparation for the BLM protests.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2021 14:50     Subject: “It was business as usual” — DCUM had better information than the Capitol Police about 1/6

Anonymous wrote:The rank and file may not have been aware but their leadership did. Although it seems that even their leadership didn’t take the threats seriously since they only requested backup from the Pentagon a few days before.

Did you read the article? It’s appalling. Some of the leadership was aware but they didn’t tell the rank and file.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2021 12:15     Subject: “It was business as usual” — DCUM had better information than the Capitol Police about 1/6

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I really think it came down to a blindspot based on the race and the political ideology of those who attended the January 6 rally.

White cops with conservative beliefs didn't believe a crowd of white conservatives who supposedly "back the Blue" would do this. They didn't prepare because they mistakenly thought the crowd was an ally to police.

Look at the backlash by the white-dominated police union against the acting Capitol police chief - a black woman. She is also in charge of cleaning house and figuring out if anyone on the inside was coordinating with the insurrectionists.

In short, the police command at the time of the insurrection didn't want to believe the crowd was capable of this BECAUSE they identified with the crowd. It was a huge blindspot.


This. I think some people thought "Blue Lives Matter" meant that the protestors sided with the cops, rather than that the protestors thought the cops sided with them. They were supporting the right of the police to suppress BLM and brutalize black people; they supported the cops when they were engaged in defending existing racial hierarchies. Some people did take the slogan at face value (probably as a result of their own racial blind spots), while others were sympathetic shared the white supremacy of the protestors. I think they were basically high on their own supply; having been told, and telling themselves, that black people/BLM and their allies were the real threat, they were unable to see the threat right in front of them. I mean, a QAnon guy was responsible for the attack on Comet Pizza -- anyone who thinks that people that deep into racist, anti-Semitic conspiracy theories aren't dangerous is fooling themselves.


I think this is definitely part of it. But I did talk to a police friend of mine who was there (different agency) who said that all the planning seemed to assume relatively peaceful daytime demonstrations, because that's what they had had all summer with BLM. And that at night, people would take advantage of the situation and start getting rowdy or destructive.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2021 11:53     Subject: “It was business as usual” — DCUM had better information than the Capitol Police about 1/6

Anonymous wrote:I really think it came down to a blindspot based on the race and the political ideology of those who attended the January 6 rally.

White cops with conservative beliefs didn't believe a crowd of white conservatives who supposedly "back the Blue" would do this. They didn't prepare because they mistakenly thought the crowd was an ally to police.

Look at the backlash by the white-dominated police union against the acting Capitol police chief - a black woman. She is also in charge of cleaning house and figuring out if anyone on the inside was coordinating with the insurrectionists.

In short, the police command at the time of the insurrection didn't want to believe the crowd was capable of this BECAUSE they identified with the crowd. It was a huge blindspot.


This. I think some people thought "Blue Lives Matter" meant that the protestors sided with the cops, rather than that the protestors thought the cops sided with them. They were supporting the right of the police to suppress BLM and brutalize black people; they supported the cops when they were engaged in defending existing racial hierarchies. Some people did take the slogan at face value (probably as a result of their own racial blind spots), while others were sympathetic shared the white supremacy of the protestors. I think they were basically high on their own supply; having been told, and telling themselves, that black people/BLM and their allies were the real threat, they were unable to see the threat right in front of them. I mean, a QAnon guy was responsible for the attack on Comet Pizza -- anyone who thinks that people that deep into racist, anti-Semitic conspiracy theories aren't dangerous is fooling themselves.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2021 11:45     Subject: “It was business as usual” — DCUM had better information than the Capitol Police about 1/6

I really think it came down to a blindspot based on the race and the political ideology of those who attended the January 6 rally.

White cops with conservative beliefs didn't believe a crowd of white conservatives who supposedly "back the Blue" would do this. They didn't prepare because they mistakenly thought the crowd was an ally to police.

Look at the backlash by the white-dominated police union against the acting Capitol police chief - a black woman. She is also in charge of cleaning house and figuring out if anyone on the inside was coordinating with the insurrectionists.

In short, the police command at the time of the insurrection didn't want to believe the crowd was capable of this BECAUSE they identified with the crowd. It was a huge blindspot.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2021 10:36     Subject: “It was business as usual” — DCUM had better information than the Capitol Police about 1/6

I mean, anyone paying any kind of attention knew that there was a real chance that something like this would be attempted. The insurrectionists were planning it on social media. It wasn't a big secret. If the CP didn't see this coming, it's because they deliberately stuck their heads in the sand.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2021 10:36     Subject: “It was business as usual” — DCUM had better information than the Capitol Police about 1/6

The rank and file may not have been aware but their leadership did. Although it seems that even their leadership didn’t take the threats seriously since they only requested backup from the Pentagon a few days before.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2021 10:23     Subject: Re:“It was business as usual” — DCUM had better information than the Capitol Police about 1/6

I hope the investigation into this includes a very thorough investigation into how police prepared and responded. Because DC is used to this. They are used to protests and protecting important people, and they usually do it very well. They need law enforcement professionals to do the investigation to do this right.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2021 08:58     Subject: “It was business as usual” — DCUM had better information than the Capitol Police about 1/6

Ha DCUM had better information. Really that first post quoted above was right on. From December.
Anonymous
Post 02/16/2021 00:35     Subject: “It was business as usual” — DCUM had better information than the Capitol Police about 1/6

https://www.propublica.org/article/i-dont-trust-the-people-above-me-riot-squad-cops-open-up-about-disastrous-response-to-capitol-insurrection

For much of the force, Jan. 6 began like any other day.

“We normally have pretty good information regarding where these people are and how far they are from the Capitol,” said Keith McFaden, a former Capitol Police officer and union leader who retired from the force following the riot. “We heard nothing that day.”

For the members of the riot squad who formed the first line of defense on the Capitol’s lower west terrace on Jan. 6, the lack of information could not have come with higher stakes.

Thrust into the most intense battle of the insurrection, the roughly two dozen officers bought lawmakers crucial time to scramble for safety. For about 100 heart-pounding minutes, they slipped and skidded across a stone surface slick with blood and bear spray, attempting to hold their ground against a rampaging mass of thousands.

To many of them, it felt like no one was in charge of the Capitol’s defense. All they could hear on the police radio were desperate cries for help.

At one point, the combat veteran was forced to stumble back from the line, his face so covered in bear spray he could barely see or breathe.




DCUM thread was started December 21! With this post:

https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/935619.page

https://thedonald.win/p/11R4q2aptJ/trump-tweet-daddy-says-be-in-dc-/c/

Lots of people planing to bring guns into dc for the protest. I would suggest everyone get out of town around that time unless they really need to. Things will get very messy.