Who were the Rs who voted to proceed with a trial?

Anonymous wrote:In 2008, they lost to a black man by 9 million votes.

In 2012, they lost to a black man by 5 million votes, with 1.2 million libertarian votes left on the table.

In 2016 they lost the popular vote to a woman by 3 million votes, with 6.5 million 3rd party votes left on the table, 80% of which were cast for right of center candidates.

In 2020 they lost to a white guy by 7 million votes.


Looked at it this way, they are reliably 6-9 million votes short of a majority, year after year. It will only get worse. The electoral college obscures the result, but as states tip from red to blue due to changing demographics, it's political death for them.

That assumes they’ll continue to play more or less by the rules when we know for a fact - that little business of working with Russia in 2016 and the little armed insurrection a few weeks ago - that they will not. Republicans seem to be getting aggressively stupider and more militantly propagandized every year.

I have a family friend who farmed until her husband died, she was salt of the earth, a conservative Republican who was patriotic and sensible (even though I disagreed with her politically). She’s now raving about the end times and doesn’t want to get her shot because of the turn the kids gay medicine they put it in and if it’s her time to go, she’ll go. I mean, these are not sensible people.

In 2008, they lost to a black man by 9 million votes.

In 2012, they lost to a black man by 5 million votes, with 1.2 million libertarian votes left on the table.

In 2016 they lost the popular vote to a woman by 3 million votes, with 6.5 million 3rd party votes left on the table, 80% of which were cast for right of center candidates.

In 2020 they lost to a white guy by 7 million votes.


Looked at it this way, they are reliably 6-9 million votes short of a majority, year after year. It will only get worse. The electoral college obscures the result, but as states tip from red to blue due to changing demographics, it's political death for them.

The GOP supports sedition and screwing poor people

It's the schism. The party thought that a unified coalition of low tax business types, evangelical whites, and neocons could stick together forever. Reagan brought them together, but he also brought a lot of independents.

Later Gingrich and his ilk decided they could take Congress by appealing to this base exclusively. It was a winning strategy for while, at least at the Congressional level. But over the years it took more and more to wring out wins at the national level, due to changing demographics and growth in the number of independents.

They knew this strategy was in its early phases of collapse back in 2008. Karl Rove, quite familiar with the strategy, warned the party that it was ultimately doomed by demographic factors unless it broadened its appeal. They have failed to do so, instead going to greater and greater extremes to maximize the turnout within the coalition. it culminated in a President trying to hold onto power despite losing by 7 million votes.

So here we are. They rode out a strategy based on an appeal to a right wing coalition that no longer has the numbers. They can't win with it, and they can't win without it. The result in this case is usually schism, and a long rebuilding period.



What we see now is the end of the process that began

The GOP are cop killers.

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Anonymous wrote:At one point, I thought they were able to get 17 senators to convict Trump. Would love to know who those extra 12 senators are who decided not to impeach him.

I didn’t decide not to impeach him, he’s already impeached.

^^^That should be “They” not “I” as I am not currently a sitting Senator.

Disgusting

Anonymous wrote:At one point, I thought they were able to get 17 senators to convict Trump. Would love to know who those extra 12 senators are who decided not to impeach him.

I didn’t decide not to impeach him, he’s already impeached.

Call who voted for Trump disappear forever.

Anonymous wrote:I want to know if they all were IN the Capitol that day. The POTUS tried to have them killed, why would they vote like this? SMH

They need Trump voters to be rabidly loyal to the GOP brand. GOP pols hate Trump and know he broke the law, but they love the passion of his supporters.

Trump figured out grassroots fundraising for the GOP. That's huge. The are worried about throwing out the baby with the bath water.

At one point, I thought they were able to get 17 senators to convict Trump. Would love to know who those extra 12 senators are who decided not to impeach him.

I'm telling you: do a secret ballot for the actual impeachment, with the tally of votes to be publicly released in 4-5 years later. I bet you will get a conviction.

The Republicans are too morally weak to do this publicly. Too much pressure within the party from the hard rightwing. They lurch from short-term crisis to short-term crisis. For the good of America, they need to move beyond Trump but no one wants to be first person to take a bold stance.

Give them the cover of a temporary anonymity. We know they hate the Trumps, but feel it necessary to placate the base.

I want to know if they all were IN the Capitol that day. The POTUS tried to have them killed, why would they vote like this? SMH

What’s a little seditious conspiracy; certainly the orange fascist has learned his lesson this time and won’t keep fanning the flames of armed insurrection. Benghazi certainly necessitated eleven gddman governmental investigations, but this? No big deal!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-senators-to-question-basis-for-trump-impeachment-signaling-likely-acquittal/2021/01/26/cd7397dc-6002-11eb-9061-07abcc1f9229_story.html

I hope the GOP finally starts getting what they have coming to them, at least before they kill America. This is disgusting, an absolute travesty. And their dirtbag supporters have started getting loud here and on the internet again, too.