Anonymous
10/29/2020 11:33
Subject: Re:Brightwood Protest: MPD has lost control. They all need to be replaced.
It is tempting in situations like this to view things simplistically, as the poster above is doing. But, in real life, things are often complicated. This is one of those cases. Karon Hylton was not out for a joyride on the sidewalk. He was trying to find his keys that he had lost earlier. Sure, using a scooter on the sidewalk may not have been appropriate, but it does not justify a death sentence either.
Interesting debate technique. Accuse a poster of trying to view things simplistically...by drawing an overly simplistic false conclusion.
Where did anybody say that a "death" sentence had been issued, or that using a scooter on a sidewalk justified a death sentence?
Perhaps and overly simplistic causal relationship here?
Interesting debate technique. Accuse a poster of trying to view things simplistically...by drawing an overly simplistic false conclusion.
Where did anybody say that a "death" sentence had been issued, or that using a scooter on a sidewalk justified a death sentence?
Perhaps and overly simplistic causal relationship here?
Anonymous
10/29/2020 11:32
Subject: Re:Brightwood Protest: MPD has lost control. They all need to be replaced.
PP here,
Didn't start as late night protest.
1. A Vigil with a mixed crowd, mostly kids & young adults and several ANC commissioners began at 6pm at 7th and Kennedy
2. The group marched to 4D at 7pm
3. Police began gassing and spraying by 7:25
Best article so far
https://wtop.com/dc/2020/10/protests-continue-in-d...amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Few additional facts:
1. Deceased's father is a military veteran ARMY.
2. MPD actively has refused to share full camera footage with the public
3. Protesters are primarily DC residents who were met with forceful riot response from the beginning. This is directly contradictory to what Bowser promoted during the 1600 BLM mural protests with national coverage.
4. Karon was never placed under arrest, nor was he told he was being detained.
5. None of the footage from ring/nest cameras shows him going faster than 15-20 mph at any point.
Anonymous
10/29/2020 11:26
Subject: Brightwood Protest: MPD has lost control. They all need to be replaced.
Anonymous wrote:The racists are out in force
Yes? We'll that's why we're try to defund MPD. At least we would have fewer racists with guns, and free reign to attack us.
Anonymous
10/29/2020 11:18
Subject: Brightwood Protest: MPD has lost control. They all need to be replaced.
The racists are out in force
Anonymous
10/29/2020 11:11
Subject: Brightwood Protest: MPD has lost control. They all need to be replaced.
Didnt start as late night protest.
1. A Vigil with a mixed crowd, mostly kuds abd young adults and several ANC commissioners began at 6pm at 7th and Kennedy
2. The group marched to 4D at 7pm
3. Police began gassing and spraying by 7:25
Best article so far
https://wtop.com/dc/2020/10/protests-continue-in-dc-for-2nd-night-over-fatal-moped-chase/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
1. A Vigil with a mixed crowd, mostly kuds abd young adults and several ANC commissioners began at 6pm at 7th and Kennedy
2. The group marched to 4D at 7pm
3. Police began gassing and spraying by 7:25
Best article so far
https://wtop.com/dc/2020/10/protests-continue-in-dc-for-2nd-night-over-fatal-moped-chase/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
jsteele
10/29/2020 09:33
Subject: Re:Brightwood Protest: MPD has lost control. They all need to be replaced.
Anonymous wrote:I'm not sure what future people who defend looting, smashing and incessant division want for our country. Protest, reform, evaluate--but the rest of it? So. Over. it.
Nobody here has defended looting, smashing, or incessant division.
Anonymous
10/29/2020 09:31
Subject: Re:Brightwood Protest: MPD has lost control. They all need to be replaced.
I'm not sure what future people who defend looting, smashing and incessant division want for our country. Protest, reform, evaluate--but the rest of it? So. Over. it.
Anonymous
10/29/2020 09:26
Subject: Brightwood Protest: MPD has lost control. They all need to be replaced.
Anonymous wrote:Rule #1 of late night protests: Leave the infants at home
So nice that you, behind your computer screen, can make the value judgement of whether protest against killing of their loved ones vs. ability to leave young kids home alone is more important.
Anonymous
10/29/2020 09:24
Subject: Brightwood Protest: MPD has lost control. They all need to be replaced.
Rule #1 of late night protests: Leave the infants at home
Anonymous
10/29/2020 09:15
Subject: Re:Brightwood Protest: MPD has lost control. They all need to be replaced.
jsteele wrote:It is tempting in situations like this to view things simplistically, as the poster above is doing. But, in real life, things are often complicated. This is one of those cases. Karon Hylton was not out for a joyride on the sidewalk. He was trying to find his keys that he had lost earlier. Sure, using a scooter on the sidewalk may not have been appropriate, but it does not justify a death sentence either. He appears to have been stopped by a police officer who has harassed him for years. At one point, according to witnesses, Hylton stopped and talked to the police officer. I don't know why he later took off with the police in pursuit, but MPD officers are not allow to engage in pursuits for traffic offenses. So, there may be negligence and wrong-doing on both sides.
There is understandable pain among Hylton's family and friends for the way the aftermath of his crash was handled. According to reports, Hylton was checked into the hospital as a "John Doe" and his life support was turned off before the family was notified. It is the family's contention that the police officer knew Hylton and he was not a John Doe.
At the very least, transparency regarding police activities is necessary. Just as we demand accountability for those who break the law, we should expect it for police officers who violate their own rules and regulations.
Knee-jerk reactions placing blame entirely on one side are not helpful and simply lead to more alienation and conflict.
This is well said, with one small quibble. "[Insert minor infraction] but it does not justify a death sentence either." While it is obviously true on its face, it suggests intent on the part of the police that doesn't appear to be supported by anything we know at this point. Moreover, no one is suggesting that Hylton deserved to die. This kind of rhetoric inflames an already touchy situation - maybe not here on DCUM, but it's also being bandied about at the protest.
Police should be held accountable, but this can't be characterized as murder, or an execution (at least based on what we know now).
Separate from that, I have no sympathy for the people who shot fireworks or threw projectiles at the police and were dispersed.
Anonymous
10/29/2020 09:04
Subject: Brightwood Protest: MPD has lost control. They all need to be replaced.
Amen
jsteele
10/29/2020 08:55
Subject: Re:Brightwood Protest: MPD has lost control. They all need to be replaced.
It is tempting in situations like this to view things simplistically, as the poster above is doing. But, in real life, things are often complicated. This is one of those cases. Karon Hylton was not out for a joyride on the sidewalk. He was trying to find his keys that he had lost earlier. Sure, using a scooter on the sidewalk may not have been appropriate, but it does not justify a death sentence either. He appears to have been stopped by a police officer who has harassed him for years. At one point, according to witnesses, Hylton stopped and talked to the police officer. I don't know why he later took off with the police in pursuit, but MPD officers are not allow to engage in pursuits for traffic offenses. So, there may be negligence and wrong-doing on both sides.
There is understandable pain among Hylton's family and friends for the way the aftermath of his crash was handled. According to reports, Hylton was checked into the hospital as a "John Doe" and his life support was turned off before the family was notified. It is the family's contention that the police officer knew Hylton and he was not a John Doe.
At the very least, transparency regarding police activities is necessary. Just as we demand accountability for those who break the law, we should expect it for police officers who violate their own rules and regulations.
Knee-jerk reactions placing blame entirely on one side are not helpful and simply lead to more alienation and conflict.
There is understandable pain among Hylton's family and friends for the way the aftermath of his crash was handled. According to reports, Hylton was checked into the hospital as a "John Doe" and his life support was turned off before the family was notified. It is the family's contention that the police officer knew Hylton and he was not a John Doe.
At the very least, transparency regarding police activities is necessary. Just as we demand accountability for those who break the law, we should expect it for police officers who violate their own rules and regulations.
Knee-jerk reactions placing blame entirely on one side are not helpful and simply lead to more alienation and conflict.
Anonymous
10/29/2020 08:33
Subject: Brightwood Protest: MPD has lost control. They all need to be replaced.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Last night was the second night of protests regarding MPD's handling of the scooter incident and the subsequent death of a Brightwood resident.
Medics report several infants and several 14-18 year olds were pepper sprayed with tear gas, response escalated by poilice at 8:45 PM.
Thoughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1QKYefjSb0
Here are some thoughts:
If you
- ride a moped on a sidewalk, without a helmet, and
- illegally flee a legal police stop, and
- wreck while evading police, then...
The outcome is 100% on you. There is nothing for reasonable, rational people to protest.
More
- If you bring an infant to a riot, you are negligent
- 14-18 year olds in Brightwood are hardly babies: that's the cohort committing much of the smash-and-grabs and muggings.
- People smashing squad car and HQ windows belong in jail
- Anyone launching powerful fireworks at police officers should do serious jail time
yes to all of this!
Anonymous
10/29/2020 08:32
Subject: Brightwood Protest: MPD has lost control. They all need to be replaced.
Anonymous wrote:
Last night was the second night of protests regarding MPD's handling of the scooter incident and the subsequent death of a Brightwood resident.
Medics report several infants and several 14-18 year olds were pepper sprayed with tear gas, response escalated by poilice at 8:45 PM.
Thoughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1QKYefjSb0
Here are some thoughts:
If you
- ride a moped on a sidewalk, without a helmet, and
- illegally flee a legal police stop, and
- wreck while evading police, then...
The outcome is 100% on you. There is nothing for reasonable, rational people to protest.
More
- If you bring an infant to a riot, you are negligent
- 14-18 year olds in Brightwood are hardly babies: that's the cohort committing much of the smash-and-grabs and muggings.
- People smashing squad car and HQ windows belong in jail
- Anyone launching powerful fireworks at police officers should do serious jail time
Anonymous
10/29/2020 08:20
Subject: Brightwood Protest: MPD has lost control. They all need to be replaced.
Last night was the second night of protests regarding MPD's handling of the scooter incident and the subsequent death of a Brightwood resident.
Medics report several infants and several 14-18 year olds were pepper sprayed with tear gas, response escalated by poilice at 8:45 PM.
Thoughts?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1QKYefjSb0