Anonymous
Post 07/06/2021 23:00     Subject: Is Councilmember Mary Cheh trying to have DCPS track HPV vaccines administer w/o consent

Anonymous wrote:As one of her constituents I am constantly asking “Why is Mary Cheh spending her efforts on things that are at most a low level priority for Ward 3?” Mary, please focus on overcrowding of ward 3 schools!! Or the fact that Friendship Heights is turning into a ghost town of empty storefronts. Or something of interest to the voters living in your ward. It’s like every other ward has a council member that represents the interests of the voters in that Ward and we have our very own at large council member.


Not Ward 1, thank you very much. Brianne Nadeau takes great pleasure in ignoring her actual constituents' needs.
Anonymous
Post 07/06/2021 22:58     Subject: Is Councilmember Mary Cheh trying to have DCPS track HPV vaccines administer w/o consent

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The HPV vaccine is great. I think we can all acknowledge that. The question is why are we trying to conduct an end around parent instead of educating the,. So we are trying to bully the kids instead of educating the parents. Why?

This just screams of being unnecessary?


Because a not insignificant number of parents are abusive assh#les. Or just want to arbitrarily exercise power over their teen kids. And you need the vaccine before you become sexually active, which is typically when you’re still a minor.

While this is not an issue that majorly impacts Ward 3, it is an issue that impacts kids growing up in low income homes in Wards 7 & 8. You think Trayon White is going to write this legislation and protect those kids? No way. Better to have Cheh on top of this, imho.



Can someone explain if this law only applies to HPV vaccine?
The DC register was quite cumbersome
Anonymous
Post 07/06/2021 21:49     Subject: Is Councilmember Mary Cheh trying to have DCPS track HPV vaccines administer w/o consent

Anonymous wrote:The HPV vaccine is great. I think we can all acknowledge that. The question is why are we trying to conduct an end around parent instead of educating the,. So we are trying to bully the kids instead of educating the parents. Why?

This just screams of being unnecessary?


Because a not insignificant number of parents are abusive assh#les. Or just want to arbitrarily exercise power over their teen kids. And you need the vaccine before you become sexually active, which is typically when you’re still a minor.

While this is not an issue that majorly impacts Ward 3, it is an issue that impacts kids growing up in low income homes in Wards 7 & 8. You think Trayon White is going to write this legislation and protect those kids? No way. Better to have Cheh on top of this, imho.
Anonymous
Post 07/06/2021 20:19     Subject: Is Councilmember Mary Cheh trying to have DCPS track HPV vaccines administer w/o consent

Mary Cheh always knows what is best for you.
Anonymous
Post 07/06/2021 20:11     Subject: Is Councilmember Mary Cheh trying to have DCPS track HPV vaccines administer w/o consent

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The proposal would still require consent, just consent from the child not the parent. It would also bring the rules for vaccines in line with the laws for other medical procedures such as birth control or mental health care. It probably won't increase vaccination rates much if at all, but if a competent kid wants to be vaccinated, I'd prefer that they were.

The record reference is to documentation of the vaccine being provided to the school directly if the parent claims an exemption, but the student chooses to get vaccinated on their own. In those cases, rather than alert the parent that child is making their own vaccination decisions, the school gets the information from the physician. That seems reasonable to me, given the threat to students who make choices other than what their parents want.

All in all seems like a good law to me.


That is extremely inappropriate as a school could tell a child you have to get the vaccine and give to them without knowing anything more about the child's health and do serious harm. Age of consent is 18. Vaccines should not be forced, especially that one.


Schools don't give vaccines. The age to consent to medical treatment also isn't universally 18 for all treatment as I pointed out. I also have no idea why the HPV vaccine is especially wrong to give to kids.

BUMP

Schools actually are giving vaccinations at the moment.

Thinking this legislation was not about HPV
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2020 22:47     Subject: Is Councilmember Mary Cheh trying to have DCPS track HPV vaccines administer w/o consent

The HPV vaccine is great. I think we can all acknowledge that. The question is why are we trying to conduct an end around parent instead of educating the,. So we are trying to bully the kids instead of educating the parents. Why?

This just screams of being unnecessary?
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2020 22:37     Subject: Is Councilmember Mary Cheh trying to have DCPS track HPV vaccines administer w/o consent

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The proposal would still require consent, just consent from the child not the parent. It would also bring the rules for vaccines in line with the laws for other medical procedures such as birth control or mental health care. It probably won't increase vaccination rates much if at all, but if a competent kid wants to be vaccinated, I'd prefer that they were.

The record reference is to documentation of the vaccine being provided to the school directly if the parent claims an exemption, but the student chooses to get vaccinated on their own. In those cases, rather than alert the parent that child is making their own vaccination decisions, the school gets the information from the physician. That seems reasonable to me, given the threat to students who make choices other than what their parents want.

All in all seems like a good law to me.


That is extremely inappropriate as a school could tell a child you have to get the vaccine and give to them without knowing anything more about the child's health and do serious harm. Age of consent is 18. Vaccines should not be forced, especially that one.


Schools don't give vaccines. The age to consent to medical treatment also isn't universally 18 for all treatment as I pointed out. I also have no idea why the HPV vaccine is especially wrong to give to kids.
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2020 22:30     Subject: Is Councilmember Mary Cheh trying to have DCPS track HPV vaccines administer w/o consent

Anonymous wrote:The proposal would still require consent, just consent from the child not the parent. It would also bring the rules for vaccines in line with the laws for other medical procedures such as birth control or mental health care. It probably won't increase vaccination rates much if at all, but if a competent kid wants to be vaccinated, I'd prefer that they were.

The record reference is to documentation of the vaccine being provided to the school directly if the parent claims an exemption, but the student chooses to get vaccinated on their own. In those cases, rather than alert the parent that child is making their own vaccination decisions, the school gets the information from the physician. That seems reasonable to me, given the threat to students who make choices other than what their parents want.

All in all seems like a good law to me.


That is extremely inappropriate as a school could tell a child you have to get the vaccine and give to them without knowing anything more about the child's health and do serious harm. Age of consent is 18. Vaccines should not be forced, especially that one.
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2020 22:28     Subject: Is Councilmember Mary Cheh trying to have DCPS track HPV vaccines administer w/o consent

Trayon is again espousing his downright dangerous anti-vaxxer views in this debate. Why aren't people protesting his house at midnight? He's not fit for public office.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-vaccine-minors/2020/10/20/7378801e-12e4-11eb-ba42-ec6a580836ed_story.html%3foutputType=amp
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2020 21:54     Subject: Is Councilmember Mary Cheh trying to have DCPS track HPV vaccines administer w/o consent

As one of her constituents I am constantly asking “Why is Mary Cheh spending her efforts on things that are at most a low level priority for Ward 3?” Mary, please focus on overcrowding of ward 3 schools!! Or the fact that Friendship Heights is turning into a ghost town of empty storefronts. Or something of interest to the voters living in your ward. It’s like every other ward has a council member that represents the interests of the voters in that Ward and we have our very own at large council member.
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2020 21:47     Subject: Is Councilmember Mary Cheh trying to have DCPS track HPV vaccines administer w/o consent

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The proposal would still require consent, just consent from the child not the parent. It would also bring the rules for vaccines in line with the laws for other medical procedures such as birth control or mental health care. It probably won't increase vaccination rates much if at all, but if a competent kid wants to be vaccinated, I'd prefer that they were.

The record reference is to documentation of the vaccine being provided to the school directly if the parent claims an exemption, but the student chooses to get vaccinated on their own. In those cases, rather than alert the parent that child is making their own vaccination decisions, the school gets the information from the physician. That seems reasonable to me, given the threat to students who make choices other than what their parents want.

All in all seems like a good law to me.


If it is not impacting vaccination rates, it is hard to justify. Why not within the current laws simply impress upon parents the importance of this vaccine. I remember the bus stop ads years ago, but have not seen any recently.


I said that because I think kids that age are competent to make those decisions in consultation with their doctors. I don't really think you need to "justify" giving bodily autonomy to someone by showing that it'll make a number go up in an appreciable way. Our law already recognizes that there are certain health decisions that are reasonable to let a minor make a decision about without parental permission. Currently it's services related mental health, substance abuse, sexually transmitted diseases, and pregnancy. I think because vaccination (especially the HPV vaccine, but really any vaccination) presents the same types of conflict between what a child's best interests are and what certain parents will consent to, it makes sense to make the choice the child's.
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2020 21:32     Subject: Is Councilmember Mary Cheh trying to have DCPS track HPV vaccines administer w/o consent

Anonymous wrote:The proposal would still require consent, just consent from the child not the parent. It would also bring the rules for vaccines in line with the laws for other medical procedures such as birth control or mental health care. It probably won't increase vaccination rates much if at all, but if a competent kid wants to be vaccinated, I'd prefer that they were.

The record reference is to documentation of the vaccine being provided to the school directly if the parent claims an exemption, but the student chooses to get vaccinated on their own. In those cases, rather than alert the parent that child is making their own vaccination decisions, the school gets the information from the physician. That seems reasonable to me, given the threat to students who make choices other than what their parents want.

All in all seems like a good law to me.


If it is not impacting vaccination rates, it is hard to justify. Why not within the current laws simply impress upon parents the importance of this vaccine. I remember the bus stop ads years ago, but have not seen any recently.
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2020 21:20     Subject: Is Councilmember Mary Cheh trying to have DCPS track HPV vaccines administer w/o consent

The proposal would still require consent, just consent from the child not the parent. It would also bring the rules for vaccines in line with the laws for other medical procedures such as birth control or mental health care. It probably won't increase vaccination rates much if at all, but if a competent kid wants to be vaccinated, I'd prefer that they were.

The record reference is to documentation of the vaccine being provided to the school directly if the parent claims an exemption, but the student chooses to get vaccinated on their own. In those cases, rather than alert the parent that child is making their own vaccination decisions, the school gets the information from the physician. That seems reasonable to me, given the threat to students who make choices other than what their parents want.

All in all seems like a good law to me.
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2020 21:03     Subject: Re:Is Councilmember Mary Cheh trying to have DCPS track HPV vaccines administer w/o consent

Its an amazing vaccine, but consent is important.
Anonymous
Post 10/20/2020 18:59     Subject: Is Councilmember Mary Cheh trying to have DCPS track HPV vaccines administer w/o consent

Just taking a look at some legislation as I am getting ready for ANC meetings. Is Mary Cheh attempting to have DCPS track HPV vaccination and council students directly to get the vaccines from their doctors without parental consent?

"to allow a minor access to immunization records; and to require the physician to submit the immunization record directly to the minor’s school if the parent is utilizing a religious exemption or is opting out of receiving the Human Papillomavirus vaccine."

https://lims.dccouncil.us/Legislation/B23-0171

It looks like she wants to change the age of minor consent to receive a vaccine to 11 years old.

Does anybody know what the DC data on immunization rates looks like?

Have advertising campaigns to increase vaccination rates for HPV simply failed?

This looks like a typical DC reach unless there is something startling which we don't know.

Why not have it like the old scoliosis test and just march all of the kids into the gym and roll up their sleeves for shots?