Anonymous
Post 10/13/2020 20:55     Subject: Are all modern cars pretty much equal in quality?
Hyundai has supposedly gotten much better recently
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2020 15:15     Subject: Are all modern cars pretty much equal in quality?

I will always get a Japanese car, and not just because I am half Japanese. Because I want safe, reliable, low-maintenance cars that are easy to find parts for.

Anonymous
Post 10/13/2020 15:15     Subject: Are all modern cars pretty much equal in quality?
Anonymous wrote:I would stay away from the Germans and whatever the hell Range Rover is considered these days (British/Chinese/Indian).


What about Chinese Volvo?
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2020 15:13     Subject: Are all modern cars pretty much equal in quality?
Anonymous wrote:I would stay away from the Germans and whatever the hell Range Rover is considered these days (British/Chinese/Indian).


I'd add in most European especially alpha and fiat.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2020 15:09     Subject: Are all modern cars pretty much equal in quality?
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Anonymous wrote:Design decisions also impact repair costs. Toyota and Honda are known to design their cars with repairability in mind. So wear items are easy to access and replace and even major systems had thought put into how they would be fixed. Some manufacturers, Porsche maybe most notoriously, don't give a shit about repair costs and design their cars to purely optimize for performance


German cars are built with unions in mind. They don't want you repairing your own car. Even changing the oil yourself on a German car (Audi, VW, Mercedes) needs special tools and is a process.


I've been changing my own oil on the various Mercedes we've owned for the past couple of decades. I am not sure what special tool you are referring to. Have I been doing it all wrong?


It's sad that you drive Benz and change your own oil. Neighbors look down on you?


Not answering the question I see. I don't really give a damn what the neighbors think about me working on my cars. I enjoy working with my hands and have fond memories of sitting next to my dad while he rebuilds carburetors.


sorry, i was a dp.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2020 11:14     Subject: Are all modern cars pretty much equal in quality?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Design decisions also impact repair costs. Toyota and Honda are known to design their cars with repairability in mind. So wear items are easy to access and replace and even major systems had thought put into how they would be fixed. Some manufacturers, Porsche maybe most notoriously, don't give a shit about repair costs and design their cars to purely optimize for performance


German cars are built with unions in mind. They don't want you repairing your own car. Even changing the oil yourself on a German car (Audi, VW, Mercedes) needs special tools and is a process.


I've been changing my own oil on the various Mercedes we've owned for the past couple of decades. I am not sure what special tool you are referring to. Have I been doing it all wrong?
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2020 11:13     Subject: Are all modern cars pretty much equal in quality?
Anonymous wrote:Not at all. There are still huge differences in manufacturing quality and design decisions. To give one example, Toyota tends to be slow introducing new tech in favor of refining and improving what currently works. That's why you have the tundra being largely the same for over a decade, or a very slow rollout of the latest tech.

Other manufactures know their target consumer will lease their vehicle and have enough prestige for people to spend a premium buying used if they can't afford new. So they can skimp on reliability since the cars only need to last 5-6 years. BMW is the most notorious example of this and partly explains why there is so much plastic in their engines




Show me a part that's plastic in a BMW engine and I'll show you the same plastic part in a Toyota engine.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2020 09:19     Subject: Are all modern cars pretty much equal in quality?
I would stay away from the Germans and whatever the hell Range Rover is considered these days (British/Chinese/Indian).
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2020 09:17     Subject: Are all modern cars pretty much equal in quality?
Anonymous wrote:Design decisions also impact repair costs. Toyota and Honda are known to design their cars with repairability in mind. So wear items are easy to access and replace and even major systems had thought put into how they would be fixed. Some manufacturers, Porsche maybe most notoriously, don't give a shit about repair costs and design their cars to purely optimize for performance


German cars are built with unions in mind. They don't want you repairing your own car. Even changing the oil yourself on a German car (Audi, VW, Mercedes) needs special tools and is a process.
Anonymous
Post 10/13/2020 09:13     Subject: Are all modern cars pretty much equal in quality?
Not equal, but overall, automobiles are getting much better in terms of quality and reliability. Planned obsolescence is a factor in the design of transport today. Also, some automakers are FAR more conservative when it comes to parts and design replacement. Toyota is known to keep the same designs, especially under the hood, for several decades if the component actually works well. Just look at their windshield wiper motors. They are ancient, but they work well....why change it if it isn't broken.?
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2020 23:24     Subject: Are all modern cars pretty much equal in quality?
My 2011 Cadillac has never had a repair. Yes I changed oil, brakes and tires. But repair wise nothing. That is a nine year old American car. My daughter has a four year old Chevy Cruz zero problems. That is a very cheap car. Brand new it cost $14k.

So I am having no problems with average American cars, so they are getting better
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2020 19:26     Subject: Are all modern cars pretty much equal in quality?
I don’t think any new cars are going to last a long time. Too much computer stuff.

Nissan stinks. CVT transmission is awful. Avoid any car with that. Honda Odyssey is terrible now. So is MdX.
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2020 19:22     Subject: Are all modern cars pretty much equal in quality?
Design decisions also impact repair costs. Toyota and Honda are known to design their cars with repairability in mind. So wear items are easy to access and replace and even major systems had thought put into how they would be fixed. Some manufacturers, Porsche maybe most notoriously, don't give a shit about repair costs and design their cars to purely optimize for performance
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2020 19:16     Subject: Are all modern cars pretty much equal in quality?
Not at all. There are still huge differences in manufacturing quality and design decisions. To give one example, Toyota tends to be slow introducing new tech in favor of refining and improving what currently works. That's why you have the tundra being largely the same for over a decade, or a very slow rollout of the latest tech.

Other manufactures know their target consumer will lease their vehicle and have enough prestige for people to spend a premium buying used if they can't afford new. So they can skimp on reliability since the cars only need to last 5-6 years. BMW is the most notorious example of this and partly explains why there is so much plastic in their engines
Anonymous
Post 10/12/2020 18:28     Subject: Are all modern cars pretty much equal in quality?
Have we reached a level of technical and engineering advancement where there really is no difference in quality between a Honda Civic, Toyota Corolla and a Nissan Sentra? Aren't they all (with reasonable care and maintenance) going to last a long time, and the only reason you'd pick one over the other is aesthetics and taste?