Anonymous
Post 09/18/2020 17:15     Subject: Why is quota a bad idea if the true intention is to diversify ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The purpose of TJ was to prove that FCPS has the best educational system in the country as a public school system. Doing what they are doing now is against every tenet of how public schools can serve all different kinds of students.

Doing what they’re doing plays right into the Devos and the Republicans trap- by chasing “equity” we are lowering the potential of education.





First, why would anyone care about what Trump or Devos thinks? Second, are you really making the argument with a straight face that the new system wouldn't serve all different kinds of students as compared with the current system? And no, the purpose of TJ was not to prove that FCPS has the best educational system in the country. It's misinformation like that that is fueling the outrage about the change. Finally, while you think we are lowering the potential of education, I think we'll be uplifting the potential of a much more diverse cross-section of the FCPS student body, both based on race and SES.


It will make all of the Asians vote red.

And the purpose isn’t to serve all kind of students. It’s to serve nerds.

Really driven nerds.


Nerds come in all colors, shapes, sizes, races, etc...


Where are they? FCPS needs to actually do their job and find them.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2020 17:09     Subject: Why is quota a bad idea if the true intention is to diversify ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The purpose of TJ was to prove that FCPS has the best educational system in the country as a public school system. Doing what they are doing now is against every tenet of how public schools can serve all different kinds of students.

Doing what they’re doing plays right into the Devos and the Republicans trap- by chasing “equity” we are lowering the potential of education.





First, why would anyone care about what Trump or Devos thinks? Second, are you really making the argument with a straight face that the new system wouldn't serve all different kinds of students as compared with the current system? And no, the purpose of TJ was not to prove that FCPS has the best educational system in the country. It's misinformation like that that is fueling the outrage about the change. Finally, while you think we are lowering the potential of education, I think we'll be uplifting the potential of a much more diverse cross-section of the FCPS student body, both based on race and SES.


It will make all of the Asians vote red.

And the purpose isn’t to serve all kind of students. It’s to serve nerds.

Really driven nerds.


Nerds come in all colors, shapes, sizes, races, etc...


PP.

That is exactly my point.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2020 14:52     Subject: Why is quota a bad idea if the true intention is to diversify ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The purpose of TJ was to prove that FCPS has the best educational system in the country as a public school system. Doing what they are doing now is against every tenet of how public schools can serve all different kinds of students.

Doing what they’re doing plays right into the Devos and the Republicans trap- by chasing “equity” we are lowering the potential of education.





First, why would anyone care about what Trump or Devos thinks? Second, are you really making the argument with a straight face that the new system wouldn't serve all different kinds of students as compared with the current system? And no, the purpose of TJ was not to prove that FCPS has the best educational system in the country. It's misinformation like that that is fueling the outrage about the change. Finally, while you think we are lowering the potential of education, I think we'll be uplifting the potential of a much more diverse cross-section of the FCPS student body, both based on race and SES.


It will make all of the Asians vote red.

And the purpose isn’t to serve all kind of students. It’s to serve nerds.

Really driven nerds.


Nerds come in all colors, shapes, sizes, races, etc...
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2020 14:45     Subject: Why is quota a bad idea if the true intention is to diversify ?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/912761.page

Similar discussion was started yesterday.. and was closed by admins..
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2020 10:33     Subject: Why is quota a bad idea if the true intention is to diversify ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The purpose of TJ was to prove that FCPS has the best educational system in the country as a public school system. Doing what they are doing now is against every tenet of how public schools can serve all different kinds of students.

Doing what they’re doing plays right into the Devos and the Republicans trap- by chasing “equity” we are lowering the potential of education.





First, why would anyone care about what Trump or Devos thinks? Second, are you really making the argument with a straight face that the new system wouldn't serve all different kinds of students as compared with the current system? And no, the purpose of TJ was not to prove that FCPS has the best educational system in the country. It's misinformation like that that is fueling the outrage about the change. Finally, while you think we are lowering the potential of education, I think we'll be uplifting the potential of a much more diverse cross-section of the FCPS student body, both based on race and SES.


The lottery will produce geographical diversification not racial or SES based on the presentation unless there is a lack of placing all in the bingo ball drawing per FCPS region. https://www.amazon.com/GSE-Games-Sports-Expert-Professional/dp/B07GPZWCQY/ref=asc_df_B07GPZWCQY/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=242012294092&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=9224636731074200708&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9008140&hvtargid=pla-525575542236&psc=1 or a produce box from a local Giant with apps inside and shuffled.

TJ was part of the magnet school movement and a convenient way to use an under capacity building that otherwise would have been closed. Now it should revert to a base school with an academy. FPAC [Facilites Planning Advisory Council] came up with needing a magnet school recently in the Richmond Highway Corridor as a way to fill 2 under capacity high schools. Fairfax County uses schools as bragging rights to attract companies and employees to the area. Guess what? Many who relocate here from other areas with great public school districts gag when the student is actually in FCPS. Some Mclean area elementary schools started using AAP for all under Strauss. Fairfax County Economic Development Authority https://www.fairfaxcountyeda.org/living-here/

EDA on schools and TJHSST https://www.fairfaxcountyeda.org/living-here/education/

https://insys.fcps.edu/CourseCatOnline/#/reportPanel/1041/2/0/0/0
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2020 10:14     Subject: Why is quota a bad idea if the true intention is to diversify ?
Because it’s unconstitutional
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2020 10:12     Subject: Why is quota a bad idea if the true intention is to diversify ?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The purpose of TJ was to prove that FCPS has the best educational system in the country as a public school system. Doing what they are doing now is against every tenet of how public schools can serve all different kinds of students.

Doing what they’re doing plays right into the Devos and the Republicans trap- by chasing “equity” we are lowering the potential of education.





First, why would anyone care about what Trump or Devos thinks? Second, are you really making the argument with a straight face that the new system wouldn't serve all different kinds of students as compared with the current system? And no, the purpose of TJ was not to prove that FCPS has the best educational system in the country. It's misinformation like that that is fueling the outrage about the change. Finally, while you think we are lowering the potential of education, I think we'll be uplifting the potential of a much more diverse cross-section of the FCPS student body, both based on race and SES.


It will make all of the Asians vote red.

And the purpose isn’t to serve all kind of students. It’s to serve nerds.

Really driven nerds.

Anonymous
Post 09/18/2020 09:59     Subject: Why is quota a bad idea if the true intention is to diversify ?
Anonymous wrote:The purpose of TJ was to prove that FCPS has the best educational system in the country as a public school system. Doing what they are doing now is against every tenet of how public schools can serve all different kinds of students.

Doing what they’re doing plays right into the Devos and the Republicans trap- by chasing “equity” we are lowering the potential of education.





First, why would anyone care about what Trump or Devos thinks? Second, are you really making the argument with a straight face that the new system wouldn't serve all different kinds of students as compared with the current system? And no, the purpose of TJ was not to prove that FCPS has the best educational system in the country. It's misinformation like that that is fueling the outrage about the change. Finally, while you think we are lowering the potential of education, I think we'll be uplifting the potential of a much more diverse cross-section of the FCPS student body, both based on race and SES.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2020 09:11     Subject: Why is quota a bad idea if the true intention is to diversify ?
The purpose of TJ was to prove that FCPS has the best educational system in the country as a public school system. Doing what they are doing now is against every tenet of how public schools can serve all different kinds of students.

Doing what they’re doing plays right into the Devos and the Republicans trap- by chasing “equity” we are lowering the potential of education.



Anonymous
Post 09/18/2020 09:09     Subject: Why is quota a bad idea if the true intention is to diversify ?
Anonymous wrote:Quotas have been deemed unconstitutional in the higher ed context, probably the same here. Not getting into TJ will not doom a brilliant mind to mediocrity; it just won’t. Nor will not attending Harvard, for the Asians that have to settle for Princeton.


Yep. There's no chance a quota would survive scrutiny.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2020 08:41     Subject: Why is quota a bad idea if the true intention is to diversify ?
Quotas have been deemed unconstitutional in the higher ed context, probably the same here. Not getting into TJ will not doom a brilliant mind to mediocrity; it just won’t. Nor will not attending Harvard, for the Asians that have to settle for Princeton.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2020 08:32     Subject: Why is quota a bad idea if the true intention is to diversify ?
Anonymous wrote:This is my biggest concern:
What if the smartest Asian kid, smartest Indian kid, smartest Black Kid, smartest White kid, smartest Hispanic kid.....all of them...all of them dont get lucky in the lottery.
And these five kids were the ones who were going to be the next inventors, innovators in STEM and we failed them because they were "unlucky"

With the lottery system, there is still no guarantee that the selection pool will be diverse or the smartest well deserved URM student will be in TJ.
I understand the need to help the URM kids who had no access to prepping.
Why can't we have a quota, for example, 40 or 50 sears for the highest scoring Hispanics, same for the highest scoring Blacks? Isn't this better, because now we have the best kids who can take that rigor, who tested well. and need that level?
And even if those URM kids did not prep, they are still the best among them, and that's who we want to serve in TJ. I know quota-based can also have pitfalls, but it can be closely monitored to adjust etc each year.

If we open TJ selection for lottery and everyone who just wants to try for the heck of it, gets lucky, the entire school will have to scramble, or parents will hate this, whose kids are stuggling and the kids whose needs are not met because of the struggling kids. And then what? It will take a few years to realize the very essemce of TJ is lost.


Let's be honest, kids like the five you described will excel anywhere. The kids a STEM school will make the most difference for are lower SES kids who are very smart but not geniuses, who need exposure to a strong STEM curriculum to really develop them into future STEM leaders because their parents don't have the resources/knowledge to develop their interest in STEM. The idea that the STEM school in the county should be limited to only the top one percent of the county with no effort to develop other kids interested in STEM should be questioned. I'm glad it finally is being challenged.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2020 08:11     Subject: Why is quota a bad idea if the true intention is to diversify ?
Because not everyone agrees that trying to diversify should be the intention.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2020 08:08     Subject: Why is quota a bad idea if the true intention is to diversify ?
What is the purpose of TJ? Is it to provide students of FCPS with a school where they will have a strong focus on STEM?

Or is the purpose of TJ to be the number 1 school in the nation?

If the true purpose of TJ is to provide a strong STEM focused education, then the school should be lottery based. I’m not sure it should be based on a test or high gpa. All kids should have the same opportunities to go there. The 3.5 GPA cutoff seems like a good cutoff for lottery kids.

It will most likely no longer continue to be a top 10 high school, but that is ok.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2020 08:00     Subject: Why is quota a bad idea if the true intention is to diversify ?
This is my biggest concern:
What if the smartest Asian kid, smartest Indian kid, smartest Black Kid, smartest White kid, smartest Hispanic kid.....all of them...all of them dont get lucky in the lottery.
And these five kids were the ones who were going to be the next inventors, innovators in STEM and we failed them because they were "unlucky"

With the lottery system, there is still no guarantee that the selection pool will be diverse or the smartest well deserved URM student will be in TJ.
I understand the need to help the URM kids who had no access to prepping.
Why can't we have a quota, for example, 40 or 50 sears for the highest scoring Hispanics, same for the highest scoring Blacks? Isn't this better, because now we have the best kids who can take that rigor, who tested well. and need that level?
And even if those URM kids did not prep, they are still the best among them, and that's who we want to serve in TJ. I know quota-based can also have pitfalls, but it can be closely monitored to adjust etc each year.

If we open TJ selection for lottery and everyone who just wants to try for the heck of it, gets lucky, the entire school will have to scramble, or parents will hate this, whose kids are stuggling and the kids whose needs are not met because of the struggling kids. And then what? It will take a few years to realize the very essemce of TJ is lost.