Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's really not a big deal. My kid has been playing while wearing one since July. Some trial and error but now they're used to it and it's fine.

And please stop trying to get out of this or around it. That's not good sportsmanship, any more than pretending you're wearing shin guards is sportsmanlike.

Covid is not going anywhere and is as dangerous now as it was in March-April. Yes we have testing -- and that's why we're not in lockdown anymore. But we need to manage our risk. So we get soccer, and we also get masks. Better than lockdown!

I get this.....but have you seen 1 just 1 report of an outbreak from outdoor sports? People have gone mad.....I understand that indoor activities are risky but playing sports outside or doing anything outside frankly (outside of a tight concert environment) is not risky!!!

Risk isn't a yes/no either/or. There are degrees of risk. Ourdoor is less risky than indoor but not zero. Singing and shouting are more risky than standing quietly, but standing quietly is not zero. Running and huffing and puffing in close contact outdoors is probably very low *individual* risk, but when you multiply that by the thousands returning to youth sports right now, the risk is certainly not zero.

I'm guessing there aren't many reports because everything was cancelled in the spring, now a lot of activities are coming back. Did a quick google to see if there were cases tied to youth sports and here's what came up:
https://patch.com/pennsylvania/abington/coronavirus-spreading-amongst-youth-sports-teams-montco
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/education/youth-sports-a-driver-of-covid-19-infections-in-st-louis-area/article_45930e9b-01ab-5109-82a8-4f5d5cb18b3b.html
https://www.aspenprojectplay.org/parent-mailbag/posts/2020/7/21/is-there-evidence-of-covid-19-outbreaks-due-to-youth-sports

So yeah more than 1 case -- but not zillions. Impossible to know whether transmission happens on or off the field, but it just seems to me like a simple thing our players all can do to keep the fields open and the games safe for everyone. It's not that the risk to an individual player on any given day is high -- tha'ts not why we mask up. We do it as a community to break chains of transmission; and our athletes do it to protect everyone on and off the field.

Completely agree that there is no such this as zero risk. I've spent quite a bit of time trying to research this issue and honestly, I haven't seen much that convinced me that COVID is extensively transmitted by playing an outdoor sport. When you drill down on most of the reported youth sports outbreaks, the exposure is related to off the field activities of both players and parents. Things like staying on hotels together, hanging out and eating under tents without social distancing, sitting on the benches and in bleachers without social distancing, etc. One of the clusters in PA was spread by a soccer coach who attended a 4th of July party with other soccer families.

I'm not saying that it is zero risk by any means, but we are doing the right thing to contain the risk by requiring masks (at least off the field) and social distancing, and prohibiting groups from congregating. My kids play soccer for two clubs in different counties. There have been county health officials checking compliance, noting non-compliance, and sending out reminders. At my kids' practices, every kid and adult walks onto and off of the field with a mask. They stay spaced out when doing drills and when not in the game. Coaches are masked at all times. Parents are either not permitted to attend, or must stay masked and socially distanced.

Again, not perfect. If we want kids to be able to play sports, the most important thing is to avoid the high risk behaviors that are associated with any sort of larger, non-distanced gathering.

And keep in mind lots of people traveled or went to gatherings over the holiday weekend.
If there's ever a time we need everyone to wear masks for a few weeks, it's now.

Hiking buffs are pretty breathable and you're then not flouting the rules.

Anonymous wrote:Risk isn't a yes/no either/or. There are degrees of risk. Ourdoor is less risky than indoor but not zero. Singing and shouting are more risky than standing quietly, but standing quietly is not zero. Running and huffing and puffing in close contact outdoors is probably very low *individual* risk, but when you multiply that by the thousands returning to youth sports right now, the risk is certainly not zero.

PP here. I meant to say that mask-wearing reduces the risk considerably -- not necessarily for an indvidual in an individual cases, but across populations over time, the data are clear. At the same time, 1 person in a mask doesn't help much. It really needs to be majority of folks.

I get it, it's not pleasant, and I prefer people to make thier own choices, just as I like making my own choices. And also, the best thing I read about this risk-management stuff is like it's adding more protections to the pile. Masks add more protection to the pile, the more masks, the more protection. The more protections we add to the pile, the more risk we can bear, as a community.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's really not a big deal. My kid has been playing while wearing one since July. Some trial and error but now they're used to it and it's fine.

And please stop trying to get out of this or around it. That's not good sportsmanship, any more than pretending you're wearing shin guards is sportsmanlike.

Covid is not going anywhere and is as dangerous now as it was in March-April. Yes we have testing -- and that's why we're not in lockdown anymore. But we need to manage our risk. So we get soccer, and we also get masks. Better than lockdown!

I get this.....but have you seen 1 just 1 report of an outbreak from outdoor sports? People have gone mad.....I understand that indoor activities are risky but playing sports outside or doing anything outside frankly (outside of a tight concert environment) is not risky!!!

Risk isn't a yes/no either/or. There are degrees of risk. Ourdoor is less risky than indoor but not zero. Singing and shouting are more risky than standing quietly, but standing quietly is not zero. Running and huffing and puffing in close contact outdoors is probably very low *individual* risk, but when you multiply that by the thousands returning to youth sports right now, the risk is certainly not zero.

I'm guessing there aren't many reports because everything was cancelled in the spring, now a lot of activities are coming back. Did a quick google to see if there were cases tied to youth sports and here's what came up:
https://patch.com/pennsylvania/abington/coronavirus-spreading-amongst-youth-sports-teams-montco
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/education/youth-sports-a-driver-of-covid-19-infections-in-st-louis-area/article_45930e9b-01ab-5109-82a8-4f5d5cb18b3b.html
https://www.aspenprojectplay.org/parent-mailbag/posts/2020/7/21/is-there-evidence-of-covid-19-outbreaks-due-to-youth-sports

So yeah more than 1 case -- but not zillions. Impossible to know whether transmission happens on or off the field, but it just seems to me like a simple thing our players all can do to keep the fields open and the games safe for everyone. It's not that the risk to an individual player on any given day is high -- tha'ts not why we mask up. We do it as a community to break chains of transmission; and our athletes do it to protect everyone on and off the field.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's really not a big deal. My kid has been playing while wearing one since July. Some trial and error but now they're used to it and it's fine.

And please stop trying to get out of this or around it. That's not good sportsmanship, any more than pretending you're wearing shin guards is sportsmanlike.

Covid is not going anywhere and is as dangerous now as it was in March-April. Yes we have testing -- and that's why we're not in lockdown anymore. But we need to manage our risk. So we get soccer, and we also get masks. Better than lockdown!

I get this.....but have you seen 1 just 1 report of an outbreak from outdoor sports? People have gone mad.....I understand that indoor activities are risky but playing sports outside or doing anything outside frankly (outside of a tight concert environment) is not risky!!!

Google Danbury, CT. Contact tracing of outbreak to youth soccer.

There is very little information about that though. Youth soccer was cited as one of many factors that lead to a spike in COVID cases, including international travel. Incidentally, this spike came after part of the city had no power for a week or more.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's really not a big deal. My kid has been playing while wearing one since July. Some trial and error but now they're used to it and it's fine.

And please stop trying to get out of this or around it. That's not good sportsmanship, any more than pretending you're wearing shin guards is sportsmanlike.

Covid is not going anywhere and is as dangerous now as it was in March-April. Yes we have testing -- and that's why we're not in lockdown anymore. But we need to manage our risk. So we get soccer, and we also get masks. Better than lockdown!

I get this.....but have you seen 1 just 1 report of an outbreak from outdoor sports? People have gone mad.....I understand that indoor activities are risky but playing sports outside or doing anything outside frankly (outside of a tight concert environment) is not risky!!!

Google Danbury, CT. Contact tracing of outbreak to youth soccer.

Anonymous wrote:It's really not a big deal. My kid has been playing while wearing one since July. Some trial and error but now they're used to it and it's fine.

And please stop trying to get out of this or around it. That's not good sportsmanship, any more than pretending you're wearing shin guards is sportsmanlike.

Covid is not going anywhere and is as dangerous now as it was in March-April. Yes we have testing -- and that's why we're not in lockdown anymore. But we need to manage our risk. So we get soccer, and we also get masks. Better than lockdown!

I get this.....but have you seen 1 just 1 report of an outbreak from outdoor sports? People have gone mad.....I understand that indoor activities are risky but playing sports outside or doing anything outside frankly (outside of a tight concert environment) is not risky!!!

It's really not a big deal. My kid has been playing while wearing one since July. Some trial and error but now they're used to it and it's fine.

And please stop trying to get out of this or around it. That's not good sportsmanship, any more than pretending you're wearing shin guards is sportsmanlike.

Covid is not going anywhere and is as dangerous now as it was in March-April. Yes we have testing -- and that's why we're not in lockdown anymore. But we need to manage our risk. So we get soccer, and we also get masks. Better than lockdown!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:just use a mask but cut a slit in it nobody will notice

Be careful with doing something like this. Your entire team can be banned from playing this season.

And the club can be fined.

Read the rules, there is nothing about the permeability of masks- people are crocheting compliance masks

Anonymous wrote:just use a mask but cut a slit in it nobody will notice

Be careful with doing something like this. Your entire team can be banned from playing this season.

And the club can be fined.

Anonymous wrote:just use a mask but cut a slit in it nobody will notice

Dumb idea

just use a mask but cut a slit in it nobody will notice

No updates at all yet. Masks will be enforced at Germantown Soccerplex and no spectators will be allowed. Parents have to wait in their cars/parking lot.

I see that as of right now masks are still required for players this weekend. Anyone have any insight as to when this will change? I had heard the county council was reconsidering the requirement for the players. Any updates?