Anonymous wrote:It looks like there are cheaters out there, but that doesn't mean all of the TJ students are cheaters.

Anonymous wrote: Can you explain why virtually every one of the 133 students admitted to TJ has an Indian name? There are no Chinese, Korean, etc sounding names. If this company has such a broad reach, than one might expect to see at least a few non-Indian names.

Why would multiple current TJ students state on FB that they had a portion of the actual test ahead of time? What would be their incentive be to lie?

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Anonymous wrote:From the other threads, there appears to be some disagreement over in the ethics of prepping. However, there appears to be a prep place with an incredibly high TJ placement success rate that may have crossed the line.

To see for yourself, go to the TJ Vents FB Page. Find the post from July 11th. Read the comments. The student in the Vent and the students in the comments section are talking about a prep place that charges $4,000 and gives the students the test ahead of time. One student in the comments stated that the Quant Q for the class of 2023 was identical to the Quant Q for the class of 2022. It’s clear that they are talking about the Curie Learning Center (“curie” one student states.)

I went to find out more about this place. Apparently Curie Learning Center posted on their FB page on 8/17 that they had 133 students admitted to TJ. And posted the names so unlikely they are making it up. (Also posted AOS/AET names/numbers.)

Wow. So there were 133 students admitted this year that prepped at a place that multiple current students say had a copy of at least one section of the test in prior years.

Just how does one test prep place account for over 25% of the TJHSST class of 2024 admissions? (Are they possibly that good at prep?)

There is no magic here and no one knows the test questions in advance, it is just the effort put in by the kids. I know several kids who went there and it appears like less than a quarter of the kids who go there get into TJ/AOS/AET, but as you might expect they would not publish ratio/percent of total kids who get in Almost all the kids who go there are already in FCPS AAP or LCPS GT program from well educated asian parents often with science background and lots of support for kids education. So, the bar is not very high for the kids. In addition, many of these kids start enrichment as early as 4th grade and they generally do well in their class and I heard pretty much every kid takes Algebra I in 7th grade. I think there is also a placement test for the program and only the kids who qualify are offered the full TJ prep and not every kid qualifies. If the kid doesn't have it in him/her or not willing to put in the effort, it is less likely to get into TJ and I know quite a few of the kids who went to this program and did not get in.

Whoop, there it is!

PP here.. I guess, it’s not a secret that Asian parents (especially 1st and may be 2nd generation Asians) put a lot of emphasis on kids education, as they see it as a best path to success and their parents probably did the same for them.. it’s just here, you see in all school systems everywhere.. Just, take spelling bee for example. 😀.

I'm not arguing this point.

I just find it very troubling that one company (in a VERY robust and competitive NVa test prep industry) somehow managed to get 133 of the 486 TJ admissions for the class of 2024. Adding to that, there are multiple current TJ students stating on FB on July 11th that this company had an actual copy of portions of the test. These are both FACTS. You can look it up. It should be concerning to anyone that values academic honesty.

I understand where you are coming from.. this prep center has several branches, attracts a ton of already smart and motived AAP kids with supportive parents. So, it doesn’t require a huge push from the prep center. And it didn’t happen overnight when the started the enrichment center several years ago.

Coming to facts. Anything that is said on the internet can’t automatically become a fact. Well, As part of the prep, kids practice ACT material and prior ACT tests (there are books on amazon as well) and it’s possible that TJ test creators got lazy and didn’t create their unique tests and we know TJ is based on ACT) It happens, for example, last years 6th grade level math counts test had many questions tha came from a test few years before with little cosmetic changes. But I can guarantee that there is no cheating.. and it’s insulting to kids who put in so much of hard work.

In an ideal world, there will not be any prepping, but can you imagine being successful at anything without a lot of preparation. As long as there is a selection process (SAT, GRE, GMAT, TJ, spelling bee or even as small as math/science tests), there is going to be preparation for it. Every country has it, unless we make fundamental changes to education system, it’s not possible to stop it. Having quotas based on race or geographical areas is not a right way to handle this.

Anonymous wrote:So looking forward to the state’s reforming admission criteria.

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Anonymous wrote:From the other threads, there appears to be some disagreement over in the ethics of prepping. However, there appears to be a prep place with an incredibly high TJ placement success rate that may have crossed the line.

To see for yourself, go to the TJ Vents FB Page. Find the post from July 11th. Read the comments. The student in the Vent and the students in the comments section are talking about a prep place that charges $4,000 and gives the students the test ahead of time. One student in the comments stated that the Quant Q for the class of 2023 was identical to the Quant Q for the class of 2022. It’s clear that they are talking about the Curie Learning Center (“curie” one student states.)

I went to find out more about this place. Apparently Curie Learning Center posted on their FB page on 8/17 that they had 133 students admitted to TJ. And posted the names so unlikely they are making it up. (Also posted AOS/AET names/numbers.)

Wow. So there were 133 students admitted this year that prepped at a place that multiple current students say had a copy of at least one section of the test in prior years.

Just how does one test prep place account for over 25% of the TJHSST class of 2024 admissions? (Are they possibly that good at prep?)

There is no magic here and no one knows the test questions in advance, it is just the effort put in by the kids. I know several kids who went there and it appears like less than a quarter of the kids who go there get into TJ/AOS/AET, but as you might expect they would not publish ratio/percent of total kids who get in Almost all the kids who go there are already in FCPS AAP or LCPS GT program from well educated asian parents often with science background and lots of support for kids education. So, the bar is not very high for the kids. In addition, many of these kids start enrichment as early as 4th grade and they generally do well in their class and I heard pretty much every kid takes Algebra I in 7th grade. I think there is also a placement test for the program and only the kids who qualify are offered the full TJ prep and not every kid qualifies. If the kid doesn't have it in him/her or not willing to put in the effort, it is less likely to get into TJ and I know quite a few of the kids who went to this program and did not get in.

Whoop, there it is!

PP here.. I guess, it’s not a secret that Asian parents (especially 1st and may be 2nd generation Asians) put a lot of emphasis on kids education, as they see it as a best path to success and their parents probably did the same for them.. it’s just here, you see in all school systems everywhere.. Just, take spelling bee for example. 😀.

I'm not arguing this point.

I just find it very troubling that one company (in a VERY robust and competitive NVa test prep industry) somehow managed to get 133 of the 486 TJ admissions for the class of 2024. Adding to that, there are multiple current TJ students stating on FB on July 11th that this company had an actual copy of portions of the test. These are both FACTS. You can look it up. It should be concerning to anyone that values academic honesty.

Anonymous wrote:So looking forward to the state’s reforming admission criteria.

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Anonymous wrote:From the other threads, there appears to be some disagreement over in the ethics of prepping. However, there appears to be a prep place with an incredibly high TJ placement success rate that may have crossed the line.

To see for yourself, go to the TJ Vents FB Page. Find the post from July 11th. Read the comments. The student in the Vent and the students in the comments section are talking about a prep place that charges $4,000 and gives the students the test ahead of time. One student in the comments stated that the Quant Q for the class of 2023 was identical to the Quant Q for the class of 2022. It’s clear that they are talking about the Curie Learning Center (“curie” one student states.)

I went to find out more about this place. Apparently Curie Learning Center posted on their FB page on 8/17 that they had 133 students admitted to TJ. And posted the names so unlikely they are making it up. (Also posted AOS/AET names/numbers.)

Wow. So there were 133 students admitted this year that prepped at a place that multiple current students say had a copy of at least one section of the test in prior years.

Just how does one test prep place account for over 25% of the TJHSST class of 2024 admissions? (Are they possibly that good at prep?)

There is no magic here and no one knows the test questions in advance, it is just the effort put in by the kids. I know several kids who went there and it appears like less than a quarter of the kids who go there get into TJ/AOS/AET, but as you might expect they would not publish ratio/percent of total kids who get in Almost all the kids who go there are already in FCPS AAP or LCPS GT program from well educated asian parents often with science background and lots of support for kids education. So, the bar is not very high for the kids. In addition, many of these kids start enrichment as early as 4th grade and they generally do well in their class and I heard pretty much every kid takes Algebra I in 7th grade. I think there is also a placement test for the program and only the kids who qualify are offered the full TJ prep and not every kid qualifies. If the kid doesn't have it in him/her or not willing to put in the effort, it is less likely to get into TJ and I know quite a few of the kids who went to this program and did not get in.

Whoop, there it is!

PP here.. I guess, it’s not a secret that Asian parents (especially 1st and may be 2nd generation Asians) put a lot of emphasis on kids education, as they see it as a best path to success and their parents probably did the same for them.. it’s just here, you see in all school systems everywhere.. Just, take spelling bee for example. 😀.

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Anonymous wrote:From the other threads, there appears to be some disagreement over in the ethics of prepping. However, there appears to be a prep place with an incredibly high TJ placement success rate that may have crossed the line.

To see for yourself, go to the TJ Vents FB Page. Find the post from July 11th. Read the comments. The student in the Vent and the students in the comments section are talking about a prep place that charges $4,000 and gives the students the test ahead of time. One student in the comments stated that the Quant Q for the class of 2023 was identical to the Quant Q for the class of 2022. It’s clear that they are talking about the Curie Learning Center (“curie” one student states.)

I went to find out more about this place. Apparently Curie Learning Center posted on their FB page on 8/17 that they had 133 students admitted to TJ. And posted the names so unlikely they are making it up. (Also posted AOS/AET names/numbers.)

Wow. So there were 133 students admitted this year that prepped at a place that multiple current students say had a copy of at least one section of the test in prior years.

Just how does one test prep place account for over 25% of the TJHSST class of 2024 admissions? (Are they possibly that good at prep?)

There is no magic here and no one knows the test questions in advance, it is just the effort put in by the kids. I know several kids who went there and it appears like less than a quarter of the kids who go there get into TJ/AOS/AET, but as you might expect they would not publish ratio/percent of total kids who get in Almost all the kids who go there are already in FCPS AAP or LCPS GT program from well educated asian parents often with science background and lots of support for kids education. So, the bar is not very high for the kids. In addition, many of these kids start enrichment as early as 4th grade and they generally do well in their class and I heard pretty much every kid takes Algebra I in 7th grade. I think there is also a placement test for the program and only the kids who qualify are offered the full TJ prep and not every kid qualifies. If the kid doesn't have it in him/her or not willing to put in the effort, it is less likely to get into TJ and I know quite a few of the kids who went to this program and did not get in.

Whoop, there it is!

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Anonymous wrote:From the other threads, there appears to be some disagreement over in the ethics of prepping. However, there appears to be a prep place with an incredibly high TJ placement success rate that may have crossed the line.

To see for yourself, go to the TJ Vents FB Page. Find the post from July 11th. Read the comments. The student in the Vent and the students in the comments section are talking about a prep place that charges $4,000 and gives the students the test ahead of time. One student in the comments stated that the Quant Q for the class of 2023 was identical to the Quant Q for the class of 2022. It’s clear that they are talking about the Curie Learning Center (“curie” one student states.)

I went to find out more about this place. Apparently Curie Learning Center posted on their FB page on 8/17 that they had 133 students admitted to TJ. And posted the names so unlikely they are making it up. (Also posted AOS/AET names/numbers.)

Wow. So there were 133 students admitted this year that prepped at a place that multiple current students say had a copy of at least one section of the test in prior years.

Just how does one test prep place account for over 25% of the TJHSST class of 2024 admissions? (Are they possibly that good at prep?)

There is no magic here and no one knows the test questions in advance, it is just the effort put in by the kids. I know several kids who went there and it appears like less than a quarter of the kids who go there get into TJ/AOS/AET, but as you might expect they would not publish ratio/percent of total kids who get in Almost all the kids who go there are already in FCPS AAP or LCPS GT program from well educated asian parents often with science background and lots of support for kids education. So, the bar is not very high for the kids. In addition, many of these kids start enrichment as early as 4th grade and they generally do well in their class and I heard pretty much every kid takes Algebra I in 7th grade. I think there is also a placement test for the program and only the kids who qualify are offered the full TJ prep and not every kid qualifies. If the kid doesn't have it in him/her or not willing to put in the effort, it is less likely to get into TJ and I know quite a few of the kids who went to this program and did not get in.

Anonymous wrote:From the other threads, there appears to be some disagreement over in the ethics of prepping. However, there appears to be a prep place with an incredibly high TJ placement success rate that may have crossed the line.

To see for yourself, go to the TJ Vents FB Page. Find the post from July 11th. Read the comments. The student in the Vent and the students in the comments section are talking about a prep place that charges $4,000 and gives the students the test ahead of time. One student in the comments stated that the Quant Q for the class of 2023 was identical to the Quant Q for the class of 2022. It’s clear that they are talking about the Curie Learning Center (“curie” one student states.)

I went to find out more about this place. Apparently Curie Learning Center posted on their FB page on 8/17 that they had 133 students admitted to TJ. And posted the names so unlikely they are making it up. (Also posted AOS/AET names/numbers.)

Wow. So there were 133 students admitted this year that prepped at a place that multiple current students say had a copy of at least one section of the test in prior years.

Just how does one test prep place account for over 25% of the TJHSST class of 2024 admissions? (Are they possibly that good at prep?)

Anonymous wrote:From the other threads, there appears to be some disagreement over in the ethics of prepping. However, there appears to be a prep place with an incredibly high TJ placement success rate that may have crossed the line.

To see for yourself, go to the TJ Vents FB Page. Find the post from July 11th. Read the comments. The student in the Vent and the students in the comments section are talking about a prep place that charges $4,000 and gives the students the test ahead of time. One student in the comments stated that the Quant Q for the class of 2023 was identical to the Quant Q for the class of 2022. It’s clear that they are talking about the Curie Learning Center (“curie” one student states.)

I went to find out more about this place. Apparently Curie Learning Center posted on their FB page on 8/17 that they had 133 students admitted to TJ. And posted the names so unlikely they are making it up. (Also posted AOS/AET names/numbers.)

Wow. So there were 133 students admitted this year that prepped at a place that multiple current students say had a copy of at least one section of the test in prior years.

Just how does one test prep place account for over 25% of the TJHSST class of 2024 admissions? (Are they possibly that good at prep?)



Not TJ but my child attended weekly SSAT test prep for for private HS. He went from 70% to 94%. There were lots of factors but the biggest was his primary school didn’t do any standardized testing. With a lot of prep, kids do remarkably better taking standardized tests.