I disagree
My daughter has the option to play CCL, EDP, GAL or ECNL at a minimum. With that volume of choices she determines the club, the league and ultimately all the good and bad that comes with each option. If you stand pat and stay at your local team then you get what they offer. To demand they change to fit your need seems foolish to me if you continue to return and spend your money there.

Take your hard earned dollars elsewhere. Somewhere that better fits your needs. If we lived in rural America with one travel team/league I might better get your point but the options here dictate you are in control not NCSL or your club

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:you're free to not participate

Didn’t work for Anne Frank

are you serious? I am not the person the wrote "youre free not to participate" but I do agree with him/her. As for your comment, sorry this is a far way off from WWII Nazi Germany. Or are you suggesting it all starts somewhere and in your world NCSL is the next Nazi party laying in wait ready to take over the world as they manipulate foolish parents into paying fees for services not rendered.

Are you out of your mind? Anne Frank???

Go play in a different league if their policies bother you this much. Its not like they are the only game in town. Last I looked your kid can play in NCSL, SFL, ODSL, CCL, NPL, ECNL, GAL, EDP and so on and so on. Pick one that better suits your political and personal preferences.

In the meantime, we will all await the uprising of the mighty NCSL overthrow

Not PP, but I can see the point. There seems to be a lot of crap going on in youth soccer and most people just accept it. The go somewhere else replies feel a little bit like the whole cancel trend that is going around. While I agree there are options in the region, the reality is quite different. Most players don’t have a lot of influence in choosing their leagues. Much like people advocating to improve or change their local schools (but obviously you can choose not to go to your local school) people should advocate for change in their local leagues. Silence doesn’t help anything.

Returning players on my son’s team get a credit from fall and other than deposit we won’t have first payment until Sept. hopefully by then we will have a better idea for the fall season what the plan is and will adjust dues accordingly since likely no tournaments.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:you're free to not participate

Didn’t work for Anne Frank

are you serious? I am not the person the wrote "youre free not to participate" but I do agree with him/her. As for your comment, sorry this is a far way off from WWII Nazi Germany. Or are you suggesting it all starts somewhere and in your world NCSL is the next Nazi party laying in wait ready to take over the world as they manipulate foolish parents into paying fees for services not rendered.

Are you out of your mind? Anne Frank???

Go play in a different league if their policies bother you this much. Its not like they are the only game in town. Last I looked your kid can play in NCSL, SFL, ODSL, CCL, NPL, ECNL, GAL, EDP and so on and so on. Pick one that better suits your political and personal preferences.

In the meantime, we will all await the uprising of the mighty NCSL overthrow

Anonymous wrote:you're free to not participate

Didn’t work for Anne Frank

Our club is incorporating the discount into this year’s fees. So if you stayed with the club, it is effectively a refund.

you're free to not participate

Anonymous wrote:Sorry to disappoint but I am not with NCSL. I just dont get your reasoning. Your issue is with your club not NCSL. My daughters club provided a credit toward the next season. Was it enough, probably not but I'm also aware that the club incurred some costs that they had to eat which comes out of the amount.

How far upstream do you want to go to reclaim the funds owed to you?

Nearly all the clubs in the area are voting members on NCSL’s board. They should be making the league operate more efficiently so that the clubs customer base isn’t getting exploited. Instead, the club representatives on the NCSL board sit idle while the league hires the board presidents wife and goes to a credit only refund structure. So small clubs and independent teams that try to play in NCSL get screwed (this usually impacts many of the minority teams in the area). The clubs and the leagues benefit by retaining cash to pay themselves for not delivering services. The parents are kept in the dark and end up throwing good money at a system that is only focused in itself and its employees. FWIW these are all nonprofits and should be focused on those IRS approved activities, which are alll focused on the participants and not the providers. It really is just one large Ponzi scheme.

Sorry to disappoint but I am not with NCSL. I just dont get your reasoning. Your issue is with your club not NCSL. My daughters club provided a credit toward the next season. Was it enough, probably not but I'm also aware that the club incurred some costs that they had to eat which comes out of the amount.

How far upstream do you want to go to reclaim the funds owed to you?

I assume you are a parent as no club personnel would got to DCUM to ask such a question. With that in mind, NCSL doesnt owe you anything. If a credit is what you seek you need to speak to your club. You pay a fee to your club that includes all sort of expenses and within that is a piece that covers the cost to the league within which your club plays.
If any refund or credit is due it will go to the club from NCSL. They, your club, will in turn decide whether to kick back some of that to you or not.

I am curious, what makes you think that the league owes you money? I dont believe you or any parent pays fees directly to a league so I am honestly asking because maybe I am missing something here.

Yes, you are missing something here, because part of the reason our club could not offer parents a greater refund is that NCSL would not refund to the club.

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Anonymous wrote:I assume you are a parent as no club personnel would got to DCUM to ask such a question. With that in mind, NCSL doesnt owe you anything. If a credit is what you seek you need to speak to your club. You pay a fee to your club that includes all sort of expenses and within that is a piece that covers the cost to the league within which your club plays.
If any refund or credit is due it will go to the club from NCSL. They, your club, will in turn decide whether to kick back some of that to you or not.

I am curious, what makes you think that the league owes you money? I dont believe you or any parent pays fees directly to a league so I am honestly asking because maybe I am missing something here.

You must be from NCSL. Nowhere in this post does the poster state or suggest the league owes them money. When are people going to realize that these clubs and leagues will keep collecting your upfront money and than return a portion of it when nothing is allowed to happen. They are basically paying themselves and their salaries out of your upfront money and maybe returning a little bit to the payers. So no risk to the leagues and clubs because the parents will always get shafted. Maybe we should flip the model so that we pay after services are rendered ... you know like almost every other service industry model.

some clubs have gone that route. Ours had an initial payment of around $250 and nothing else will be paid until leagues announce a fall season. At that point everyone is on the monthly payment plan (you could not pay up front) and those payments occur as long as the season goes forward).

Anonymous wrote:I assume you are a parent as no club personnel would got to DCUM to ask such a question. With that in mind, NCSL doesnt owe you anything. If a credit is what you seek you need to speak to your club. You pay a fee to your club that includes all sort of expenses and within that is a piece that covers the cost to the league within which your club plays.
If any refund or credit is due it will go to the club from NCSL. They, your club, will in turn decide whether to kick back some of that to you or not.

I am curious, what makes you think that the league owes you money? I dont believe you or any parent pays fees directly to a league so I am honestly asking because maybe I am missing something here.

You must be from NCSL. Nowhere in this post does the poster state or suggest the league owes them money. When are people going to realize that these clubs and leagues will keep collecting your upfront money and than return a portion of it when nothing is allowed to happen. They are basically paying themselves and their salaries out of your upfront money and maybe returning a little bit to the payers. So no risk to the leagues and clubs because the parents will always get shafted. Maybe we should flip the model so that we pay after services are rendered ... you know like almost every other service industry model.

I assume you are a parent as no club personnel would got to DCUM to ask such a question. With that in mind, NCSL doesnt owe you anything. If a credit is what you seek you need to speak to your club. You pay a fee to your club that includes all sort of expenses and within that is a piece that covers the cost to the league within which your club plays.
If any refund or credit is due it will go to the club from NCSL. They, your club, will in turn decide whether to kick back some of that to you or not.

I am curious, what makes you think that the league owes you money? I dont believe you or any parent pays fees directly to a league so I am honestly asking because maybe I am missing something here.

A 70% credit was applied to Fall 2020

For NCSL teams that paid Spring 2020 league fees, is NCSL offering any credit or discount towards Fall 2020 league fees? I have heard a few different things on this and wanted to know for my own clarity. It seems fair to offer a credit towards the Fall since the entire Spring season was cancelled but I do not see this addressed on the NCSL web site.