Anonymous
07/12/2020 22:02
Subject: What is considered a strong wisc fsiq score/percentage for AAP appeals?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
It's not that they are excluded. It's that they do not need the program and are better in the general education classes. The program has always been like this, this isn't new.
- parent of one kid who needs the program and one who doesn't.
That is some serious BS. You're deluding yourself if you think that most of the kids in AAP need the program and couldn't be educated in a regular classroom. Most school systems across the country can educate the kids who are somewhat advanced and have IQs around 120 in a regular classroom. What makes FCPS so special that somewhat bright, somewhat advanced kids are not educable without a special program?
A kid with a 135 IQ is in the 99th percentile and is gifted by any definition. If that kid is not exhibiting "gifted traits" in a regular classroom or is not advanced, that kid actually needs a gifted program more than your somewhat above average, somewhat bright, organized people pleaser with the high GBRS. The 135 IQ, low GBRS kid is demonstrating that the general education classroom is a terrible fit for that kid, while the somewhat advanced, high GBRS kid is demonstrating that they will bloom wherever they're planted.
- Parent of one kid who doesn't need AAP, got in anyway, and is indistinguishable from all of the other kids in AAP (who also don't need AAP despite their parents' delusions), and one kid who needs AAP but effectively didn't receive it due to the watering down of the program.
No, the 135 IQ high GBRS kid with all 4s who is doing great in school doesn't need AAP. The 132 kid or 142 kid however might need it. And since every kid needs classmates, plenty of 120 kids are admitted too.
It's a long standing pattern. There are always the outlier kids who are clearly gifted and not admitted. Why? Because those kids are great kids who will be successful anywhere and everywhere. Other gifted kids might not be. This is my theory, you may have a different one.
Anonymous
07/12/2020 21:17
Subject: What is considered a strong wisc fsiq score/percentage for AAP appeals?
Anonymous wrote:
It's not that they are excluded. It's that they do not need the program and are better in the general education classes. The program has always been like this, this isn't new.
- parent of one kid who needs the program and one who doesn't.
That is some serious BS. You're deluding yourself if you think that most of the kids in AAP need the program and couldn't be educated in a regular classroom. Most school systems across the country can educate the kids who are somewhat advanced and have IQs around 120 in a regular classroom. What makes FCPS so special that somewhat bright, somewhat advanced kids are not educable without a special program?
A kid with a 135 IQ is in the 99th percentile and is gifted by any definition. If that kid is not exhibiting "gifted traits" in a regular classroom or is not advanced, that kid actually needs a gifted program more than your somewhat above average, somewhat bright, organized people pleaser with the high GBRS. The 135 IQ, low GBRS kid is demonstrating that the general education classroom is a terrible fit for that kid, while the somewhat advanced, high GBRS kid is demonstrating that they will bloom wherever they're planted.
- Parent of one kid who doesn't need AAP, got in anyway, and is indistinguishable from all of the other kids in AAP (who also don't need AAP despite their parents' delusions), and one kid who needs AAP but effectively didn't receive it due to the watering down of the program.
Anonymous
07/12/2020 20:04
Subject: What is considered a strong wisc fsiq score/percentage for AAP appeals?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe this "holistic" approach is why AAP standards have gone down so much. It is ridiculous that someone with a 135 FSIQ wouldn't get in. I can understand why GBRS can be used to support kids who may have had a bad testing day but who have consistently shown a very strong work ethic or strong analytical skills... but to exclude kids who make the pool or are above cutoff scores in the WISC? I don't get why anyone thinks this is a good system.
It's not that they are excluded. It's that they do not need the program and are better in the general education classes. The program has always been like this, this isn't new.
- parent of one kid who needs the program and one who doesn't.
A kid with a 135 FSIQ doesn't need the program, while the well-organized neat child with the 122 cogat does? Because of the teacher GBRS? Sorry, it doesn't make sense.
Anonymous
07/12/2020 19:04
Subject: What is considered a strong wisc fsiq score/percentage for AAP appeals?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe this "holistic" approach is why AAP standards have gone down so much. It is ridiculous that someone with a 135 FSIQ wouldn't get in. I can understand why GBRS can be used to support kids who may have had a bad testing day but who have consistently shown a very strong work ethic or strong analytical skills... but to exclude kids who make the pool or are above cutoff scores in the WISC? I don't get why anyone thinks this is a good system.
It’s not a good system.
It should be 20% black kids.
That’s not a bad idea actually.
Anonymous
07/12/2020 18:53
Subject: What is considered a strong wisc fsiq score/percentage for AAP appeals?
Anonymous wrote:Maybe this "holistic" approach is why AAP standards have gone down so much. It is ridiculous that someone with a 135 FSIQ wouldn't get in. I can understand why GBRS can be used to support kids who may have had a bad testing day but who have consistently shown a very strong work ethic or strong analytical skills... but to exclude kids who make the pool or are above cutoff scores in the WISC? I don't get why anyone thinks this is a good system.
It's not that they are excluded. It's that they do not need the program and are better in the general education classes. The program has always been like this, this isn't new.
- parent of one kid who needs the program and one who doesn't.
Anonymous
07/12/2020 14:04
Subject: What is considered a strong wisc fsiq score/percentage for AAP appeals?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe this "holistic" approach is why AAP standards have gone down so much. It is ridiculous that someone with a 135 FSIQ wouldn't get in. I can understand why GBRS can be used to support kids who may have had a bad testing day but who have consistently shown a very strong work ethic or strong analytical skills... but to exclude kids who make the pool or are above cutoff scores in the WISC? I don't get why anyone thinks this is a good system.
It’s not a good system.
It should be 20% black kids.
It shouldn't be 20% of anyone. It should be 5-10% of the student body. It should be kids with IQs over 130. It shouldn't be a bunch of kids with maybe 115-125 IQs who are somewhat advanced and get in because their teachers like them or because they have high executive function.
Anonymous
07/12/2020 11:41
Subject: What is considered a strong wisc fsiq score/percentage for AAP appeals?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Maybe this "holistic" approach is why AAP standards have gone down so much. It is ridiculous that someone with a 135 FSIQ wouldn't get in. I can understand why GBRS can be used to support kids who may have had a bad testing day but who have consistently shown a very strong work ethic or strong analytical skills... but to exclude kids who make the pool or are above cutoff scores in the WISC? I don't get why anyone thinks this is a good system.
It’s not a good system.
It should be 20% black kids.
Anonymous
07/12/2020 07:55
Subject: What is considered a strong wisc fsiq score/percentage for AAP appeals?
Anonymous wrote:Maybe this "holistic" approach is why AAP standards have gone down so much. It is ridiculous that someone with a 135 FSIQ wouldn't get in. I can understand why GBRS can be used to support kids who may have had a bad testing day but who have consistently shown a very strong work ethic or strong analytical skills... but to exclude kids who make the pool or are above cutoff scores in the WISC? I don't get why anyone thinks this is a good system.
It’s not a good system.
Anonymous
07/12/2020 06:35
Subject: What is considered a strong wisc fsiq score/percentage for AAP appeals?
Maybe this "holistic" approach is why AAP standards have gone down so much. It is ridiculous that someone with a 135 FSIQ wouldn't get in. I can understand why GBRS can be used to support kids who may have had a bad testing day but who have consistently shown a very strong work ethic or strong analytical skills... but to exclude kids who make the pool or are above cutoff scores in the WISC? I don't get why anyone thinks this is a good system.
Anonymous
07/10/2020 13:41
Subject: What is considered a strong wisc fsiq score/percentage for AAP appeals?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:132 or higher
Had higher but still didn’t get in; approach is holistic
I was denied originally with a 135 so I don't know. We didn't appeal.
Anonymous
07/09/2020 19:13
Subject: What is considered a strong wisc fsiq score/percentage for AAP appeals?
There isn’t such a number. Any number that helps convince the committee that your child’s needs can’t be met in a regular classroom is a good number. If you’re good with your write up, a single subscore over 130 and FSIQ in the low 120s might be enough. If you don’t present your child well, a 135 FSIQ might not be enough. You need to be very specific in your appeals letter as to how your child’s needs cannot be met in a regular classroom. Showing that your child is very smart isn’t good enough on its own.
The system is absurd, but it is what it is.
The system is absurd, but it is what it is.
Anonymous
07/09/2020 17:36
Subject: What is considered a strong wisc fsiq score/percentage for AAP appeals?
I think 140+ is guaranteed in. Any less than that and it is all GBRS.
Anonymous
07/09/2020 10:44
Subject: What is considered a strong wisc fsiq score/percentage for AAP appeals?
Anonymous wrote:132 or higher
Had higher but still didn’t get in; approach is holistic
Anonymous
07/09/2020 10:35
Subject: What is considered a strong wisc fsiq score/percentage for AAP appeals?
132 or higher
Anonymous
07/09/2020 06:25
Subject: What is considered a strong wisc fsiq score/percentage for AAP appeals?
Thank you.