Anonymous
06/13/2020 16:18
Subject: One in Five Teachers Say They Won’t Return to School in the Fall
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it will vary by state. I have a friend who left the corporate world to get trained to be a teacher. She did one of those alternate programs. She is in a state where teachers are paid well and get tenure. Well nobody wanted to leave their job. She ended up subbing and then moving on to a job where she could get health insurance.
As far as I’m concerned tenure is a thing of the past. DCUMers and the likes nationwide didn’t like that teachers were set for life (professionally speaking) and so they got rid of such privilege. FL started it and the rest followed suit.
Can you sure which state your friend is in?
Yeah teachers don’t leave as often in tenure states. It sounds like PP’s friend never got to teach. I subbed for two years in a tenure state because it’s really competitive to get a teaching job. Now I teach around here. However, I have a job next year and in my home state tons of teachers are getting laid off even some with tenure. It’s bad up there right now.
Anonymous
06/13/2020 15:57
Subject: One in Five Teachers Say They Won’t Return to School in the Fall
Anonymous wrote:I think it will vary by state. I have a friend who left the corporate world to get trained to be a teacher. She did one of those alternate programs. She is in a state where teachers are paid well and get tenure. Well nobody wanted to leave their job. She ended up subbing and then moving on to a job where she could get health insurance.
As far as I’m concerned tenure is a thing of the past. DCUMers and the likes nationwide didn’t like that teachers were set for life (professionally speaking) and so they got rid of such privilege. FL started it and the rest followed suit.
Can you sure which state your friend is in?
Anonymous
06/13/2020 13:18
Subject: One in Five Teachers Say They Won’t Return to School in the Fall
I think it will vary by state. I have a friend who left the corporate world to get trained to be a teacher. She did one of those alternate programs. She is in a state where teachers are paid well and get tenure. Well nobody wanted to leave their job. She ended up subbing and then moving on to a job where she could get health insurance.
Anonymous
06/13/2020 11:52
Subject: Re:One in Five Teachers Say They Won’t Return to School in the Fall
Anonymous wrote:Teachers should not hold the US economy hostage. By refusing to go back to school this is what is happening.
If they do, it should be treated like the air traffic control or defunding of police. Fire all of them and have them re-apply and give exingency teacher certs to qualified people.
How is qualified defined in this scenario?
Anonymous
06/13/2020 11:49
Subject: Re:One in Five Teachers Say They Won’t Return to School in the Fall
Teachers should not hold the US economy hostage. By refusing to go back to school this is what is happening.
If they do, it should be treated like the air traffic control or defunding of police. Fire all of them and have them re-apply and give exingency teacher certs to qualified people.
If they do, it should be treated like the air traffic control or defunding of police. Fire all of them and have them re-apply and give exingency teacher certs to qualified people.
Anonymous
06/13/2020 11:40
Subject: One in Five Teachers Say They Won’t Return to School in the Fall
if only 20% of teachers are threatening to quit right now that's better than most years, when more like half are threatening not to come back.
Anonymous
06/13/2020 11:35
Subject: Re:One in Five Teachers Say They Won’t Return to School in the Fall
LCPS sent an email about FTE getting impacted.
Hybrid model is good to appeal the masses. It is not practical whatsoever and there are no $$ to back it up.
Distance learning will be the norm until the end of the year AT A MINIMUM.
Hybrid model is good to appeal the masses. It is not practical whatsoever and there are no $$ to back it up.
Distance learning will be the norm until the end of the year AT A MINIMUM.
Anonymous
06/13/2020 10:30
Subject: One in Five Teachers Say They Won’t Return to School in the Fall
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:not very promising...
https://www.weareteachers.com/teachers-afraid-to-go-back/?utm_source=WAT_MDR&utm_medium=Enews&utm_campaign=WAT_Enews06112020
I have read many posters talking about there are no teacher shortages and that teachers would not resign.
Talk about uncertainty!
What could this really mean for our children?
There are plenty of new teachers graduating from their programs desperate for a job. What it means is we will have a less experienced staff, but also likely more optimistic and less cynical about the profession. It will cost the school system less. Some will be stars who were meant for this, others will be green as can be. Some of who we lose will be true seasoned gems and a huge loss, a small subset of who leaves will be teachers who don't belong in the profession anyway.
Actually, there aren’t. Teacher preparation programs failed to keep up with demand prior to this. That’s why alt cert and TFA were invented. And even with those measures, the supply still hasn’t kept up with demand. Teachers have been imported from other countries FFS. And there’s still a shortage. So you have positions go unfilled all year long with a long term sub, huge class sizes, and electives being cancelled for secondary students.
It won’t just be filling the holes with less experienced teachers. There will be many more holes.
Anonymous
06/13/2020 09:53
Subject: Re:One in Five Teachers Say They Won’t Return to School in the Fall
Already being discussed here:
20 percent of teachers not likely to return to classrooms if schools reopen in fall
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/884053.page
20 percent of teachers not likely to return to classrooms if schools reopen in fall
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/884053.page
Anonymous
06/13/2020 09:48
Subject: One in Five Teachers Say They Won’t Return to School in the Fall
Anonymous wrote:not very promising...
https://www.weareteachers.com/teachers-afraid-to-go-back/?utm_source=WAT_MDR&utm_medium=Enews&utm_campaign=WAT_Enews06112020
I have read many posters talking about there are no teacher shortages and that teachers would not resign.
Talk about uncertainty!
What could this really mean for our children?
There are plenty of new teachers graduating from their programs desperate for a job. What it means is we will have a less experienced staff, but also likely more optimistic and less cynical about the profession. It will cost the school system less. Some will be stars who were meant for this, others will be green as can be. Some of who we lose will be true seasoned gems and a huge loss, a small subset of who leaves will be teachers who don't belong in the profession anyway.
Anonymous
06/13/2020 09:12
Subject: One in Five Teachers Say They Won’t Return to School in the Fall
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:DCUMs answer has been that school systems will just need to hire any warm body, quickly certify them, and move on.
There’s such a public misunderstanding of the certification process, even for emergency certification.
It basically means expanding TFA-quality instruction and staff churn to 20% of schools. And those schools might be DCUM schools because W teachers are also afraid of catching the coronavirus.
It also means this: A lot of teachers are able to keep teaching because they are subsidized by a high earner spouse who offsets the low pay and the spending OOP for classroom supplies. I think a big percentage of the 1 in 5 will be those teachers since they can afford to leave in this economy. Who will be left: the teachers working a second job to make ends meet and the brand new teachers. This group is already stressed and likely to leave the profession.
The rush to reopen schools F2F will impact the profession for decades. I would not be surprised if public schools simply moved to one year contracts in the future and treated employees the way many retail and fast food places do.
Accurate analysis. However, as a teacher I must say that CURRENTLY we sign 1 year (10 months really) contracts and believe me we are not treated any better than retail and fast food employees. If anything, coronavirus will exacerbate the teacher shortages. Thus, our children’s education will plummet (even more than it already does) and then the country will resort to (need to) hire foreigners to do the job.
Don’t has me for the last sentence. I am an immigrant.
Baltimore City has a program that brought in Filipino teachers.
https://news.abs-cbn.com/pinoy-migration/06/02/09/filipino-teachers-shine-baltimore
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-learning-follows-teachers-from-the-philippines-to-baltimore
https://www.baltimoresun.com/education/bs-md-ci-foreign-teachers-return-20190304-story.html
At the time this occurred initially, I was unaware that Filipinas are migrant laborers all over the world in the caring professions: nurses, nannies, and teachers. They are often exploited. The conditions of teaching in an American public school are perfect for exploiting foreign workers whose families back home need the remittances. And with this political climate under Trump, they will just have their visas yanked if they complain and a new group from elsewhere brought in.
Anonymous
06/13/2020 08:52
Subject: One in Five Teachers Say They Won’t Return to School in the Fall
Anonymous wrote:DCUMs answer has been that school systems will just need to hire any warm body, quickly certify them, and move on.
There’s such a public misunderstanding of the certification process, even for emergency certification.
It basically means expanding TFA-quality instruction and staff churn to 20% of schools. And those schools might be DCUM schools because W teachers are also afraid of catching the coronavirus.
It also means this: A lot of teachers are able to keep teaching because they are subsidized by a high earner spouse who offsets the low pay and the spending OOP for classroom supplies. I think a big percentage of the 1 in 5 will be those teachers since they can afford to leave in this economy. Who will be left: the teachers working a second job to make ends meet and the brand new teachers. This group is already stressed and likely to leave the profession.
The rush to reopen schools F2F will impact the profession for decades. I would not be surprised if public schools simply moved to one year contracts in the future and treated employees the way many retail and fast food places do.
Accurate analysis. However, as a teacher I must say that CURRENTLY we sign 1 year (10 months really) contracts and believe me we are not treated any better than retail and fast food employees. If anything, coronavirus will exacerbate the teacher shortages. Thus, our children’s education will plummet (even more than it already does) and then the country will resort to (need to) hire foreigners to do the job.
Don’t has me for the last sentence. I am an immigrant.
Anonymous
06/13/2020 08:48
Subject: One in Five Teachers Say They Won’t Return to School in the Fall
That article is clickbait trash.
Anonymous
06/13/2020 08:45
Subject: One in Five Teachers Say They Won’t Return to School in the Fall
DCUMs answer has been that school systems will just need to hire any warm body, quickly certify them, and move on.
There’s such a public misunderstanding of the certification process, even for emergency certification.
It basically means expanding TFA-quality instruction and staff churn to 20% of schools. And those schools might be DCUM schools because W teachers are also afraid of catching the coronavirus.
It also means this: A lot of teachers are able to keep teaching because they are subsidized by a high earner spouse who offsets the low pay and the spending OOP for classroom supplies. I think a big percentage of the 1 in 5 will be those teachers since they can afford to leave in this economy. Who will be left: the teachers working a second job to make ends meet and the brand new teachers. This group is already stressed and likely to leave the profession.
The rush to reopen schools F2F will impact the profession for decades. I would not be surprised if public schools simply moved to one year contracts in the future and treated employees the way many retail and fast food places do.
There’s such a public misunderstanding of the certification process, even for emergency certification.
It basically means expanding TFA-quality instruction and staff churn to 20% of schools. And those schools might be DCUM schools because W teachers are also afraid of catching the coronavirus.
It also means this: A lot of teachers are able to keep teaching because they are subsidized by a high earner spouse who offsets the low pay and the spending OOP for classroom supplies. I think a big percentage of the 1 in 5 will be those teachers since they can afford to leave in this economy. Who will be left: the teachers working a second job to make ends meet and the brand new teachers. This group is already stressed and likely to leave the profession.
The rush to reopen schools F2F will impact the profession for decades. I would not be surprised if public schools simply moved to one year contracts in the future and treated employees the way many retail and fast food places do.
Anonymous
06/13/2020 08:32
Subject: One in Five Teachers Say They Won’t Return to School in the Fall
not very promising...
https://www.weareteachers.com/teachers-afraid-to-go-back/?utm_source=WAT_MDR&utm_medium=Enews&utm_campaign=WAT_Enews06112020
I have read many posters talking about there are no teacher shortages and that teachers would not resign.
Talk about uncertainty!
What could this really mean for our children?
https://www.weareteachers.com/teachers-afraid-to-go-back/?utm_source=WAT_MDR&utm_medium=Enews&utm_campaign=WAT_Enews06112020
I have read many posters talking about there are no teacher shortages and that teachers would not resign.
Talk about uncertainty!
What could this really mean for our children?