Anonymous wrote:So why didn’t we have more cases of sick college employees , students and professors in March and April. Or did we? I mean this virus was all over the place in February and early March. Schools didn’t send kids home til the end of March. I’d love to see the data on people who had direct contact with either college students or employees who were infected as well. I know we can’t do actual contact tracing now. But even antidotally to find out how many people who are x degrees of separation From someone at a university for very sick or died.

We didn't. Because our universities decided to shut down right after spring break around March 6th. I was surprised when UVA said students should not return at all but that proved to be a very smart decision. Harvard started the ball and the others followed. The point wasn't to even allow the students who had gone overseas or (ugh, Miami for beach week) to return because by then they were probably carriers. I don't know when you are getting your data about the end of March. By then our two college students had been home three weeks working in our basement.

Seems like the virus really spread in cities with international airports. I think it started and spread due to people coming from other countries.

But we also started the stay at home orders when college kids came home. And people kept getting sick. I’m just saying the virus was everywhere in feb and early March and the people who mostly got sick were not college students or even college workers. The people who initially got sick where in dense areas like the Bronx and queens and then nursing homes etc. maybe the outbreaks that occurred in April in other parts of the country were from the non symptomatic college kids who came home and infected family??

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Anonymous wrote:So why didn’t we have more cases of sick college employees , students and professors in March and April. Or did we? I mean this virus was all over the place in February and early March. Schools didn’t send kids home til the end of March. I’d love to see the data on people who had direct contact with either college students or employees who were infected as well. I know we can’t do actual contact tracing now. But even antidotally to find out how many people who are x degrees of separation From someone at a university for very sick or died.

All colleges closed by mid march, when cases in the entire US were still in the hundreds.

Please educate yourself PP. Anyone following the news is well aware that community spread was under way in February in many cities in the U.S. with thousands of infected individuals in New York city in alone in February. Of course there were many New York college students infected in February.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/us/coronavirus-early-outbreaks-cities.html?referringSource=articleShare

To quote Trump: if we don't test, our cases won't go up.

What colleges were testing in February ??

Anonymous wrote:So why didn’t we have more cases of sick college employees , students and professors in March and April. Or did we? I mean this virus was all over the place in February and early March. Schools didn’t send kids home til the end of March. I’d love to see the data on people who had direct contact with either college students or employees who were infected as well. I know we can’t do actual contact tracing now. But even antidotally to find out how many people who are x degrees of separation From someone at a university for very sick or died.

Schools closed (actually extended spring break) when it was spreading around places like NY. Just starting elsewhere.

I knew a kid who had it (I am 99% sure) so badly that she came home from college. Her MD did not order test (which was hard to get then) because he said THIS area did not have cases.
She had come from a college though. She went back to school. Her sibling got it, along with pneumonia. They both had high fevers, coughs and shortness of breath.

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Anonymous wrote:So why didn’t we have more cases of sick college employees , students and professors in March and April. Or did we? I mean this virus was all over the place in February and early March. Schools didn’t send kids home til the end of March. I’d love to see the data on people who had direct contact with either college students or employees who were infected as well. I know we can’t do actual contact tracing now. But even antidotally to find out how many people who are x degrees of separation From someone at a university for very sick or died.

All colleges closed by mid march, when cases in the entire US were still in the hundreds.

This. DS goes to a Big Ten school and was home before MCPS shut down. The state he came from had 0 reported cases then.

Nope. But isn’t their age group least impacted?

Anonymous wrote:So why didn’t we have more cases of sick college employees , students and professors in March and April. Or did we? I mean this virus was all over the place in February and early March. Schools didn’t send kids home til the end of March. I’d love to see the data on people who had direct contact with either college students or employees who were infected as well. I know we can’t do actual contact tracing now. But even antidotally to find out how many people who are x degrees of separation From someone at a university for very sick or died.

All colleges closed by mid march, when cases in the entire US were still in the hundreds.

Seems like even though prisons and hospitals had huge outbreaks. Colleges and universities didn’t.

So why didn’t we have more cases of sick college employees , students and professors in March and April. Or did we? I mean this virus was all over the place in February and early March. Schools didn’t send kids home til the end of March. I’d love to see the data on people who had direct contact with either college students or employees who were infected as well. I know we can’t do actual contact tracing now. But even antidotally to find out how many people who are x degrees of separation From someone at a university for very sick or died.

I saw something today that made me think it’s very unlikely School’s can safely open up. Ford Motor Company’s factories have already had to close to clean areas and reopen because of a couple of cases in the past few days since they opened back up. Considering people there are way less intermingled and are probably more responsible then twenty year olds, universities will be a cesspool.

Anonymous wrote:It's not. Which is why almost everyone who works at a university is concerned about the idea of returning to campus. Notice it's the leadership coming out saying they are opening up. Easy for them to say as they stay cloistered in their offices.

The crazy parents here just want their kids out of their hair and believe their special children are invincible. They also don't care that their asymptomatic kid may go on to infect a bunch of others. Some are even hoping for their kids to get it because they are so convinced their kid won't have a negative outcome. Pure hubris.

Wow. Pointy. Curious what your perspective is? Parent of college kid? College prof? None pf the above?

It's not. Which is why almost everyone who works at a university is concerned about the idea of returning to campus. Notice it's the leadership coming out saying they are opening up. Easy for them to say as they stay cloistered in their offices.

The crazy parents here just want their kids out of their hair and believe their special children are invincible. They also don't care that their asymptomatic kid may go on to infect a bunch of others. Some are even hoping for their kids to get it because they are so convinced their kid won't have a negative outcome. Pure hubris.

A Cornell researcher was on CNN last night talking about study that they just did that found that 60% of the university student population has contact at least two steps with each other using just basic campus functions and NOT factoring in any type of socialization.

There is a huge amount of mixing with classes. Plus many universities run at near capacity in classroom space for good portions of Monday -Thursday 10 am to 5pm. They could start earlier around 7am, reduce class meetings time and utilize Fridays and Saturdays but many would still not have enough space to space out the students. The shared bathrooms in dorms and campus buildings barely cover the population now in many places. Older buildings do not have great ventilation and many newer buildings do not have windows that open on floors above the second floor.

Plus Singapore identified the migrant worker dormitories as a super spreading event and those conditions may look worse than campus dorms BUT the close proximity is not far off.

The only approach that seems to be viable is for medical schools in terms of what Harvard is doing. They are keeping 1 st year students online at home and bringing back 2, 3 and 4th year. 3rd and 4th years students are not in classes they are doing rounds and in the hospitals or in research labs. 1st and 2nd year classes are usually large lecture halls with lots of dense material. Students are either in class or in the library/at home re-watching the lectures multiple times to get all the information and studying. As long as they move the lab classes like gross anatomy to the second year much of 1st year can be done at home.