Anonymous
Post 05/15/2020 10:43     Subject: Re:Don't Commit

We aren’t giving money to anyone until they are back on a field.

I played soccer for 25 years competitively and my husband is a super athlete.

We are fully capable of training and working with our kids.

I have had 3 payments March-June for both of them and while we get zoom meetings, training guidance and emails it does not justify the cost.

My kids are very good soccer players, play on great teams—-but I’m not paying. If they commit without $ fine.

But, sorry, I can do a much better job myself than online training/conditioning.

There will be teams and spots whenever this opens and it looks like it won’t be until Spring 2021 anyways.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2020 10:32     Subject: Re:Don't Commit

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My philosophy on this question is if we can afford it (which we can right now), to continue to support all the small businesses in our area as we would if COVID had not hit--club included. A 'club' is not an amorphous being as its being made out to be on these boards.

It's made up of the hard working coaches that my kid loves, the underpaid 'admin' who coordinates all the communications and schedules, etc.

Sure, they may not be providing an immediate service--but it's not their fault (it's not like this is in their control), and I am playing the long game at this point.

Sure, could I pay for some private lessons for the same price--I guess. But if I am going to pay anway, I'd rather pay to keep the club afloat than a sub contractor to train my kid for the next few months.

Its the same approach I am taking to all other servcies- child care, house cleaning etc. None of them have provided a service to me across the past few months, but all have been paid. I have shelled out far more for 'no service' in these areas than for spring soccer. Continuing to support services and people in my local community means there will be a set of services in my community to turn to when this is all behind us. We can take the short view and assume they are trying to cheat us out of our money, or we can empathize with the tough financial situation they are all in and realize they are trying to survive--just like many of the large companies who have fired thousands to stay afloat.

To each his own, but let's not get so 'cold' in our thinking that we forget that the 'club' is a compilation of people who reside in our communities. Sure, perhaps they could trim some of the 'fat' out of individual clubs--maybe they don't need to pay the TD as much as they do--but at the end of the day, I want the club to exist in the future. My kid loves the sport.


I am sure there are good people at various clubs, but it is pay to play system. If there are no games to play, there is no point in paying so much. The youth soccer is overpriced as is.


+1. I guess this depends on the team/club your DC belongs to. Can you imagine how you feel if you keep paying/supportIng the team or club, but the club/team has no problem replacing your DC for more talented kids from other clubs?


You can only support a club if you have an offer. I don’t really follow this logic? If I have an offer, how is my kid being replaced?


Easy. You’re paying for a 6 months to a year of virtual training. Once the new year rolls around for tryouts to begin, your DC might not be treated any differently than other kids trying out. Maybe even less if they other kids from outside clubs are much more talented.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2020 09:55     Subject: Don't Commit


I agree!!!!!



Anonymous
Post 05/15/2020 09:53     Subject: Re:Don't Commit

Im not speaking for anyone else. Everyone has an independent situation. I will stay committed to our club with absolutely no hesitation. Season or no season our coaches not only do zoom , but call and email my son multiple times per week. They watch film, teach tactics and make sure they are studying school work. All this was happening before the covid 19 shutdown and has continued thru it. S I see it as the club treats us like family and we return the sentiment.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2020 09:08     Subject: Re:Don't Commit

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My philosophy on this question is if we can afford it (which we can right now), to continue to support all the small businesses in our area as we would if COVID had not hit--club included. A 'club' is not an amorphous being as its being made out to be on these boards.

It's made up of the hard working coaches that my kid loves, the underpaid 'admin' who coordinates all the communications and schedules, etc.

Sure, they may not be providing an immediate service--but it's not their fault (it's not like this is in their control), and I am playing the long game at this point.

Sure, could I pay for some private lessons for the same price--I guess. But if I am going to pay anway, I'd rather pay to keep the club afloat than a sub contractor to train my kid for the next few months.

Its the same approach I am taking to all other servcies- child care, house cleaning etc. None of them have provided a service to me across the past few months, but all have been paid. I have shelled out far more for 'no service' in these areas than for spring soccer. Continuing to support services and people in my local community means there will be a set of services in my community to turn to when this is all behind us. We can take the short view and assume they are trying to cheat us out of our money, or we can empathize with the tough financial situation they are all in and realize they are trying to survive--just like many of the large companies who have fired thousands to stay afloat.

To each his own, but let's not get so 'cold' in our thinking that we forget that the 'club' is a compilation of people who reside in our communities. Sure, perhaps they could trim some of the 'fat' out of individual clubs--maybe they don't need to pay the TD as much as they do--but at the end of the day, I want the club to exist in the future. My kid loves the sport.


I am sure there are good people at various clubs, but it is pay to play system. If there are no games to play, there is no point in paying so much. The youth soccer is overpriced as is.


+1. I guess this depends on the team/club your DC belongs to. Can you imagine how you feel if you keep paying/supportIng the team or club, but the club/team has no problem replacing your DC for more talented kids from other clubs?


You can only support a club if you have an offer. I don’t really follow this logic? If I have an offer, how is my kid being replaced?
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2020 05:36     Subject: Re:Don't Commit

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My philosophy on this question is if we can afford it (which we can right now), to continue to support all the small businesses in our area as we would if COVID had not hit--club included. A 'club' is not an amorphous being as its being made out to be on these boards.

It's made up of the hard working coaches that my kid loves, the underpaid 'admin' who coordinates all the communications and schedules, etc.

Sure, they may not be providing an immediate service--but it's not their fault (it's not like this is in their control), and I am playing the long game at this point.

Sure, could I pay for some private lessons for the same price--I guess. But if I am going to pay anway, I'd rather pay to keep the club afloat than a sub contractor to train my kid for the next few months.

Its the same approach I am taking to all other servcies- child care, house cleaning etc. None of them have provided a service to me across the past few months, but all have been paid. I have shelled out far more for 'no service' in these areas than for spring soccer. Continuing to support services and people in my local community means there will be a set of services in my community to turn to when this is all behind us. We can take the short view and assume they are trying to cheat us out of our money, or we can empathize with the tough financial situation they are all in and realize they are trying to survive--just like many of the large companies who have fired thousands to stay afloat.

To each his own, but let's not get so 'cold' in our thinking that we forget that the 'club' is a compilation of people who reside in our communities. Sure, perhaps they could trim some of the 'fat' out of individual clubs--maybe they don't need to pay the TD as much as they do--but at the end of the day, I want the club to exist in the future. My kid loves the sport.


I am sure there are good people at various clubs, but it is pay to play system. If there are no games to play, there is no point in paying so much. The youth soccer is overpriced as is.


+1. I guess this depends on the team/club your DC belongs to. Can you imagine how you feel if you keep paying/supportIng the team or club, but the club/team has no problem replacing your DC for more talented kids from other clubs?


This is why some people support over and above- so their DC won't be replaced.
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2020 02:59     Subject: Re:Don't Commit

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My philosophy on this question is if we can afford it (which we can right now), to continue to support all the small businesses in our area as we would if COVID had not hit--club included. A 'club' is not an amorphous being as its being made out to be on these boards.

It's made up of the hard working coaches that my kid loves, the underpaid 'admin' who coordinates all the communications and schedules, etc.

Sure, they may not be providing an immediate service--but it's not their fault (it's not like this is in their control), and I am playing the long game at this point.

Sure, could I pay for some private lessons for the same price--I guess. But if I am going to pay anway, I'd rather pay to keep the club afloat than a sub contractor to train my kid for the next few months.

Its the same approach I am taking to all other servcies- child care, house cleaning etc. None of them have provided a service to me across the past few months, but all have been paid. I have shelled out far more for 'no service' in these areas than for spring soccer. Continuing to support services and people in my local community means there will be a set of services in my community to turn to when this is all behind us. We can take the short view and assume they are trying to cheat us out of our money, or we can empathize with the tough financial situation they are all in and realize they are trying to survive--just like many of the large companies who have fired thousands to stay afloat.

To each his own, but let's not get so 'cold' in our thinking that we forget that the 'club' is a compilation of people who reside in our communities. Sure, perhaps they could trim some of the 'fat' out of individual clubs--maybe they don't need to pay the TD as much as they do--but at the end of the day, I want the club to exist in the future. My kid loves the sport.


I am sure there are good people at various clubs, but it is pay to play system. If there are no games to play, there is no point in paying so much. The youth soccer is overpriced as is.


+1. I guess this depends on the team/club your DC belongs to. Can you imagine how you feel if you keep paying/supportIng the team or club, but the club/team has no problem replacing your DC for more talented kids from other clubs?
Anonymous
Post 05/15/2020 00:37     Subject: Re:Don't Commit

Anonymous wrote:My philosophy on this question is if we can afford it (which we can right now), to continue to support all the small businesses in our area as we would if COVID had not hit--club included. A 'club' is not an amorphous being as its being made out to be on these boards.

It's made up of the hard working coaches that my kid loves, the underpaid 'admin' who coordinates all the communications and schedules, etc.

Sure, they may not be providing an immediate service--but it's not their fault (it's not like this is in their control), and I am playing the long game at this point.

Sure, could I pay for some private lessons for the same price--I guess. But if I am going to pay anway, I'd rather pay to keep the club afloat than a sub contractor to train my kid for the next few months.

Its the same approach I am taking to all other servcies- child care, house cleaning etc. None of them have provided a service to me across the past few months, but all have been paid. I have shelled out far more for 'no service' in these areas than for spring soccer. Continuing to support services and people in my local community means there will be a set of services in my community to turn to when this is all behind us. We can take the short view and assume they are trying to cheat us out of our money, or we can empathize with the tough financial situation they are all in and realize they are trying to survive--just like many of the large companies who have fired thousands to stay afloat.

To each his own, but let's not get so 'cold' in our thinking that we forget that the 'club' is a compilation of people who reside in our communities. Sure, perhaps they could trim some of the 'fat' out of individual clubs--maybe they don't need to pay the TD as much as they do--but at the end of the day, I want the club to exist in the future. My kid loves the sport.


I am sure there are good people at various clubs, but it is pay to play system. If there are no games to play, there is no point in paying so much. The youth soccer is overpriced as is.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2020 22:12     Subject: Re:Don't Commit

My philosophy on this question is if we can afford it (which we can right now), to continue to support all the small businesses in our area as we would if COVID had not hit--club included. A 'club' is not an amorphous being as its being made out to be on these boards.

It's made up of the hard working coaches that my kid loves, the underpaid 'admin' who coordinates all the communications and schedules, etc.

Sure, they may not be providing an immediate service--but it's not their fault (it's not like this is in their control), and I am playing the long game at this point.

Sure, could I pay for some private lessons for the same price--I guess. But if I am going to pay anway, I'd rather pay to keep the club afloat than a sub contractor to train my kid for the next few months.

Its the same approach I am taking to all other servcies- child care, house cleaning etc. None of them have provided a service to me across the past few months, but all have been paid. I have shelled out far more for 'no service' in these areas than for spring soccer. Continuing to support services and people in my local community means there will be a set of services in my community to turn to when this is all behind us. We can take the short view and assume they are trying to cheat us out of our money, or we can empathize with the tough financial situation they are all in and realize they are trying to survive--just like many of the large companies who have fired thousands to stay afloat.

To each his own, but let's not get so 'cold' in our thinking that we forget that the 'club' is a compilation of people who reside in our communities. Sure, perhaps they could trim some of the 'fat' out of individual clubs--maybe they don't need to pay the TD as much as they do--but at the end of the day, I want the club to exist in the future. My kid loves the sport.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2020 18:56     Subject: Re:Don't Commit

I think everyone should just do what they are comfortable doing. Period.

Those that pay will keep some semblance of a system together and to those who wait, there hopefully will be a club and team available for you to rejoin when you are comfortable to do so.

I’ll take the chance and pay and for those who don’t I’ll be more than happy to see you again when you can.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2020 18:52     Subject: Don't Commit

+1 to the OP. + freaking 1.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2020 16:19     Subject: Re:Don't Commit

Anonymous wrote:Can we have somebody chime in and vouch that at least 1 of these clubs are being open and honest about the upcoming season. There's just too much information floating around and it's making it difficult for parents to decide if they should commit or not. Me personally, I would hate to commit for the full year, only to find out in August that we will continue with Zoom meetings and online app training until phase 5 which is scheduled when??? With States and counties having their own "reopening plans", there's no telling when these kids will be able to get back on the field and actually play.

Doing private training once or twice a week and sitting out this fall season will be much, much cheaper; and less headaches. Instead of feeding these parents plans on what the club is going to do; and how we are going to do it, let's talk about the "what if's". What if there's no fall season, are you going to stop payments from coming out of our account? What if we go to phase II in June, will you have field access to run small group trainings?


For older players if they can’t get a fall season they would play in the spring, most of those kids play one season anyway?
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2020 16:10     Subject: Re:Don't Commit

Can we have somebody chime in and vouch that at least 1 of these clubs are being open and honest about the upcoming season. There's just too much information floating around and it's making it difficult for parents to decide if they should commit or not. Me personally, I would hate to commit for the full year, only to find out in August that we will continue with Zoom meetings and online app training until phase 5 which is scheduled when??? With States and counties having their own "reopening plans", there's no telling when these kids will be able to get back on the field and actually play.

Doing private training once or twice a week and sitting out this fall season will be much, much cheaper; and less headaches. Instead of feeding these parents plans on what the club is going to do; and how we are going to do it, let's talk about the "what if's". What if there's no fall season, are you going to stop payments from coming out of our account? What if we go to phase II in June, will you have field access to run small group trainings?
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2020 15:02     Subject: Don't Commit

You are free to do what you want to do.
Anonymous
Post 05/14/2020 14:58     Subject: Don't Commit

If every parent chooses not to commit their children to Fall Soccer until there is more information, or clubs putting in writing that refunds will be given due to Fall soccer being cancelled, wouldn't that help give some power back to the parents and not to the clubs. Where clubs seem to run things like they own our money and our children??????

How about a pay as you play model, none of this pay upfront nonsense.