Anonymous
05/09/2020 13:24
Subject: Re:Local clubs agreeing to a mutual non-compete
"We will support one another as we navigate organizational challenges and will not leverage hardships incurred by clubs during the COVID-19 crisis" DMV United Principle #5
One league (DA) folded because of COVID-19 and other leagues formed or stepped up to offer new options. Affected DA clubs scrambled to take care of their players and families when faced with this doubly unexpected hardship (pandemic and loss of league).
McLean, Loudoun, and VDA are all members of DMV United. From the week leading up to the DA announcement amid closure rumors through today, a lot of ECNL people (clearly from these 3 clubs) have been activists on DCUM trying to take advantage of this hardship to attract players away from former DA clubs at a time when these clubs were most vulnerable. Is that leveraging the hardship of former DA clubs? Seems fairly obvious that it was and continues today.
One league (DA) folded because of COVID-19 and other leagues formed or stepped up to offer new options. Affected DA clubs scrambled to take care of their players and families when faced with this doubly unexpected hardship (pandemic and loss of league).
McLean, Loudoun, and VDA are all members of DMV United. From the week leading up to the DA announcement amid closure rumors through today, a lot of ECNL people (clearly from these 3 clubs) have been activists on DCUM trying to take advantage of this hardship to attract players away from former DA clubs at a time when these clubs were most vulnerable. Is that leveraging the hardship of former DA clubs? Seems fairly obvious that it was and continues today.
Anonymous
05/09/2020 12:33
Subject: Re:Local clubs agreeing to a mutual non-compete
Anonymous wrote:It is not a legally binding thing. There are no ‘anti trust’ issues-sheesh.
There was a press release from 60 local clubs saying they will not use this situation to actively impact other clubs. Arlington, McLean, Bethesda and nearly every other local club signed on to this charter. Read into it what you will in terms of what that means.
Is it legally enforceable- no. moreso an agreement between clubs not to use the current situation to poach and impact solvency of other clubs.
You can google and read the language yourself and make your own conclusions.
Nearly every club it seems—including those in the GA thread —is guaranteeing players their spot on their same team for next year. That does not help new players who wish to transfer as they are joining a full roster.
So likely we are in a weird place for the next month and it has nothing to do with just ASA and Mclaan. Its broader agreement to not leverage the situation to their advantage.
So back to original point- yes there will be transfers —but doubtful it will happen very early in the process as the optics would be not good. So all the people claiming immediate transfer offers from last week might just be trolls trying to get you riled up
Ok. Please do understand that every cartel agreement is not a legally binding or enforceable agreement. Written, legal or enforceable agreements are especially unusual in cartels. I am not saying this is an antitrust problem but you need to stop saying things like that. It creates even more trouble.
Anonymous
05/09/2020 12:27
Subject: Re:Local clubs agreeing to a mutual non-compete
It is not a legally binding thing. There are no ‘anti trust’ issues-sheesh.
There was a press release from 60 local clubs saying they will not use this situation to actively impact other clubs. Arlington, McLean, Bethesda and nearly every other local club signed on to this charter. Read into it what you will in terms of what that means.
Is it legally enforceable- no. moreso an agreement between clubs not to use the current situation to poach and impact solvency of other clubs.
You can google and read the language yourself and make your own conclusions.
Nearly every club it seems—including those in the GA thread —is guaranteeing players their spot on their same team for next year. That does not help new players who wish to transfer as they are joining a full roster.
So likely we are in a weird place for the next month and it has nothing to do with just ASA and Mclaan. Its broader agreement to not leverage the situation to their advantage.
So back to original point- yes there will be transfers —but doubtful it will happen very early in the process as the optics would be not good. So all the people claiming immediate transfer offers from last week might just be trolls trying to get you riled up
There was a press release from 60 local clubs saying they will not use this situation to actively impact other clubs. Arlington, McLean, Bethesda and nearly every other local club signed on to this charter. Read into it what you will in terms of what that means.
Is it legally enforceable- no. moreso an agreement between clubs not to use the current situation to poach and impact solvency of other clubs.
You can google and read the language yourself and make your own conclusions.
Nearly every club it seems—including those in the GA thread —is guaranteeing players their spot on their same team for next year. That does not help new players who wish to transfer as they are joining a full roster.
So likely we are in a weird place for the next month and it has nothing to do with just ASA and Mclaan. Its broader agreement to not leverage the situation to their advantage.
So back to original point- yes there will be transfers —but doubtful it will happen very early in the process as the optics would be not good. So all the people claiming immediate transfer offers from last week might just be trolls trying to get you riled up
Anonymous
05/09/2020 12:14
Subject: Local clubs agreeing to a mutual non-compete
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So in the Arlington GA thread there is talk about mutual non-compete among local clubs.
Well 2008’s now have Clyde as their primary coach. Many will stay for the exposure and all have been guaranteed spots. Cant argue with Clyde’s track record as the girls get toward high school no matter how much of an ASA booster you are.
I call BS on arlington giving outside offers at this point. Many area clubs agreed to not actively recruit from each other’s
rosters during the pandemic so arlington would be flying in the face of yhat...
First I've heard of a mutual non-compete clause for outside players. What clubs have agreed to do this?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/878490.page
I have heard from two friends who were looking to changes clubs but the new clubs are not responding. This would explain it. One friend was excited because the new club cost significantly less then his kid’s current club. The other had talked to a coach at the new club and was told(unofficial) her kid would make their first team.
So now both have to stay where they are until the clubs decides to let them go? It seems very unfair specially to kids. They have such a short period of time to play. How true do you think this is? Do you think it is legal(antitrust)?
If the GA clubs are sharing financial risk/reward by joining the GA, then a non-compete among the GA member clubs might be fine from a legal standpoint. Depends on the exact facts, however.
Well it would be between Arlington and Mclean. I could see it. The ASA boys just joined the ECNL. So now same league for both clubs on boys sides. It makes sense that ASA girls side will join ECNL sometime in the future. The rumors are next year. So the two clubs get together. Mclean says you do not accept any of our girls, we will not accept your girls and Mclean will not oppose your application to the ECNL next year. Done and done!
That’s a possibility. I’m aware of some teams that are supposedly switching clubs — i.e. a coach taking teams teams to another club — between 2 “DMV United” clubs so I don’t think the DMV United agreement means anything, but certainly could be some deal making between a couple of clubs.
The rumor is from the Arlington GA thread and the posters talks about Clyde(Mclean girls). So that is Arlington girls and Mclean Girls.
The OP never gave any club names or even referenced GA or ECNL, and is contradictory about getting no club response yet getting an unofficial offer that couldn't become official. "One friend was excited because the new club cost significantly less then his kid’s current club." That tells us a lot. Still waiting to see these supposed club names from the OP.
Anonymous
05/09/2020 11:29
Subject: Local clubs agreeing to a mutual non-compete
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So in the Arlington GA thread there is talk about mutual non-compete among local clubs.
Well 2008’s now have Clyde as their primary coach. Many will stay for the exposure and all have been guaranteed spots. Cant argue with Clyde’s track record as the girls get toward high school no matter how much of an ASA booster you are.
I call BS on arlington giving outside offers at this point. Many area clubs agreed to not actively recruit from each other’s
rosters during the pandemic so arlington would be flying in the face of yhat...
First I've heard of a mutual non-compete clause for outside players. What clubs have agreed to do this?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/878490.page
I have heard from two friends who were looking to changes clubs but the new clubs are not responding. This would explain it. One friend was excited because the new club cost significantly less then his kid’s current club. The other had talked to a coach at the new club and was told(unofficial) her kid would make their first team.
So now both have to stay where they are until the clubs decides to let them go? It seems very unfair specially to kids. They have such a short period of time to play. How true do you think this is? Do you think it is legal(antitrust)?
If the GA clubs are sharing financial risk/reward by joining the GA, then a non-compete among the GA member clubs might be fine from a legal standpoint. Depends on the exact facts, however.
Well it would be between Arlington and Mclean. I could see it. The ASA boys just joined the ECNL. So now same league for both clubs on boys sides. It makes sense that ASA girls side will join ECNL sometime in the future. The rumors are next year. So the two clubs get together. Mclean says you do not accept any of our girls, we will not accept your girls and Mclean will not oppose your application to the ECNL next year. Done and done!
That’s a possibility. I’m aware of some teams that are supposedly switching clubs — i.e. a coach taking teams teams to another club — between 2 “DMV United” clubs so I don’t think the DMV United agreement means anything, but certainly could be some deal making between a couple of clubs.
The rumor is from the Arlington GA thread and the posters talks about Clyde(Mclean girls). So that is Arlington girls and Mclean Girls.
Anonymous
05/09/2020 11:08
Subject: Local clubs agreeing to a mutual non-compete
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So in the Arlington GA thread there is talk about mutual non-compete among local clubs.
Well 2008’s now have Clyde as their primary coach. Many will stay for the exposure and all have been guaranteed spots. Cant argue with Clyde’s track record as the girls get toward high school no matter how much of an ASA booster you are.
I call BS on arlington giving outside offers at this point. Many area clubs agreed to not actively recruit from each other’s
rosters during the pandemic so arlington would be flying in the face of yhat...
First I've heard of a mutual non-compete clause for outside players. What clubs have agreed to do this?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/878490.page
I have heard from two friends who were looking to changes clubs but the new clubs are not responding. This would explain it. One friend was excited because the new club cost significantly less then his kid’s current club. The other had talked to a coach at the new club and was told(unofficial) her kid would make their first team.
So now both have to stay where they are until the clubs decides to let them go? It seems very unfair specially to kids. They have such a short period of time to play. How true do you think this is? Do you think it is legal(antitrust)?
If the GA clubs are sharing financial risk/reward by joining the GA, then a non-compete among the GA member clubs might be fine from a legal standpoint. Depends on the exact facts, however.
Well it would be between Arlington and Mclean. I could see it. The ASA boys just joined the ECNL. So now same league for both clubs on boys sides. It makes sense that ASA girls side will join ECNL sometime in the future. The rumors are next year. So the two clubs get together. Mclean says you do not accept any of our girls, we will not accept your girls and Mclean will not oppose your application to the ECNL next year. Done and done!
That’s a possibility. I’m aware of some teams that are supposedly switching clubs — i.e. a coach taking teams teams to another club — between 2 “DMV United” clubs so I don’t think the DMV United agreement means anything, but certainly could be some deal making between a couple of clubs.
Anonymous
05/09/2020 10:55
Subject: Local clubs agreeing to a mutual non-compete
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So in the Arlington GA thread there is talk about mutual non-compete among local clubs.
Well 2008’s now have Clyde as their primary coach. Many will stay for the exposure and all have been guaranteed spots. Cant argue with Clyde’s track record as the girls get toward high school no matter how much of an ASA booster you are.
I call BS on arlington giving outside offers at this point. Many area clubs agreed to not actively recruit from each other’s
rosters during the pandemic so arlington would be flying in the face of yhat...
First I've heard of a mutual non-compete clause for outside players. What clubs have agreed to do this?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/878490.page
I have heard from two friends who were looking to changes clubs but the new clubs are not responding. This would explain it. One friend was excited because the new club cost significantly less then his kid’s current club. The other had talked to a coach at the new club and was told(unofficial) her kid would make their first team.
So now both have to stay where they are until the clubs decides to let them go? It seems very unfair specially to kids. They have such a short period of time to play. How true do you think this is? Do you think it is legal(antitrust)?
Stop. This is about the DMVunited publicity stunt early in the shutdown. It is nothing more than marketing. If all the clubs were colluding in the market, you do indeed have a serious violation of the law. The soccer year is over, people and clubs can do what they like.
No it just takes two. I was in an industry that was watched by the feds for anti trust(think bid fixing and drawing up territories). There were a few big players and a bunch of small players. They busted two big players for working together, a few years later they busted some small players. Now I doubt the feds watch youth soccer for antitrust lol. Maybe they should!
Anonymous
05/09/2020 10:48
Subject: Local clubs agreeing to a mutual non-compete
Anonymous wrote:So in the Arlington GA thread there is talk about mutual non-compete among local clubs.
Well 2008’s now have Clyde as their primary coach. Many will stay for the exposure and all have been guaranteed spots. Cant argue with Clyde’s track record as the girls get toward high school no matter how much of an ASA booster you are.
I call BS on arlington giving outside offers at this point. Many area clubs agreed to not actively recruit from each other’s
rosters during the pandemic so arlington would be flying in the face of yhat...
First I've heard of a mutual non-compete clause for outside players. What clubs have agreed to do this?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/878490.page
I have heard from two friends who were looking to changes clubs but the new clubs are not responding. This would explain it. One friend was excited because the new club cost significantly less then his kid’s current club. The other had talked to a coach at the new club and was told(unofficial) her kid would make their first team.
So now both have to stay where they are until the clubs decides to let them go? It seems very unfair specially to kids. They have such a short period of time to play. How true do you think this is? Do you think it is legal(antitrust)?
Soooooo, second-hand anecdotal account and won't name the clubs. Either troll-bait or BS.
Anonymous
05/09/2020 10:43
Subject: Local clubs agreeing to a mutual non-compete
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So in the Arlington GA thread there is talk about mutual non-compete among local clubs.
Well 2008’s now have Clyde as their primary coach. Many will stay for the exposure and all have been guaranteed spots. Cant argue with Clyde’s track record as the girls get toward high school no matter how much of an ASA booster you are.
I call BS on arlington giving outside offers at this point. Many area clubs agreed to not actively recruit from each other’s
rosters during the pandemic so arlington would be flying in the face of yhat...
First I've heard of a mutual non-compete clause for outside players. What clubs have agreed to do this?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/878490.page
I have heard from two friends who were looking to changes clubs but the new clubs are not responding. This would explain it. One friend was excited because the new club cost significantly less then his kid’s current club. The other had talked to a coach at the new club and was told(unofficial) her kid would make their first team.
So now both have to stay where they are until the clubs decides to let them go? It seems very unfair specially to kids. They have such a short period of time to play. How true do you think this is? Do you think it is legal(antitrust)?
If the GA clubs are sharing financial risk/reward by joining the GA, then a non-compete among the GA member clubs might be fine from a legal standpoint. Depends on the exact facts, however.
Well it would be between Arlington and Mclean. I could see it. The ASA boys just joined the ECNL. So now same league for both clubs on boys sides. It makes sense that ASA girls side will join ECNL sometime in the future. The rumors are next year. So the two clubs get together. Mclean says you do not accept any of our girls, we will not accept your girls and Mclean will not oppose your application to the ECNL next year. Done and done!
Anonymous
05/09/2020 10:42
Subject: Local clubs agreeing to a mutual non-compete
Anonymous wrote:So in the Arlington GA thread there is talk about mutual non-compete among local clubs.
Well 2008’s now have Clyde as their primary coach. Many will stay for the exposure and all have been guaranteed spots. Cant argue with Clyde’s track record as the girls get toward high school no matter how much of an ASA booster you are.
I call BS on arlington giving outside offers at this point. Many area clubs agreed to not actively recruit from each other’s
rosters during the pandemic so arlington would be flying in the face of yhat...
First I've heard of a mutual non-compete clause for outside players. What clubs have agreed to do this?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/878490.page
I have heard from two friends who were looking to changes clubs but the new clubs are not responding. This would explain it. One friend was excited because the new club cost significantly less then his kid’s current club. The other had talked to a coach at the new club and was told(unofficial) her kid would make their first team.
So now both have to stay where they are until the clubs decides to let them go? It seems very unfair specially to kids. They have such a short period of time to play. How true do you think this is? Do you think it is legal(antitrust)?
Stop. This is about the DMVunited publicity stunt early in the shutdown. It is nothing more than marketing. If all the clubs were colluding in the market, you do indeed have a serious violation of the law. The soccer year is over, people and clubs can do what they like.
Anonymous
05/09/2020 10:34
Subject: Local clubs agreeing to a mutual non-compete
Anti-competitive behavior. Not cool.
Anonymous
05/09/2020 10:30
Subject: Local clubs agreeing to a mutual non-compete
Anonymous wrote:So in the Arlington GA thread there is talk about mutual non-compete among local clubs.
Well 2008’s now have Clyde as their primary coach. Many will stay for the exposure and all have been guaranteed spots. Cant argue with Clyde’s track record as the girls get toward high school no matter how much of an ASA booster you are.
I call BS on arlington giving outside offers at this point. Many area clubs agreed to not actively recruit from each other’s
rosters during the pandemic so arlington would be flying in the face of yhat...
First I've heard of a mutual non-compete clause for outside players. What clubs have agreed to do this?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/878490.page
I have heard from two friends who were looking to changes clubs but the new clubs are not responding. This would explain it. One friend was excited because the new club cost significantly less then his kid’s current club. The other had talked to a coach at the new club and was told(unofficial) her kid would make their first team.
So now both have to stay where they are until the clubs decides to let them go? It seems very unfair specially to kids. They have such a short period of time to play. How true do you think this is? Do you think it is legal(antitrust)?
If the GA clubs are sharing financial risk/reward by joining the GA, then a non-compete among the GA member clubs might be fine from a legal standpoint. Depends on the exact facts, however.
Anonymous
05/09/2020 10:28
Subject: Local clubs agreeing to a mutual non-compete
Anonymous wrote:So in the Arlington GA thread there is talk about mutual non-compete among local clubs.
Well 2008’s now have Clyde as their primary coach. Many will stay for the exposure and all have been guaranteed spots. Cant argue with Clyde’s track record as the girls get toward high school no matter how much of an ASA booster you are.
I call BS on arlington giving outside offers at this point. Many area clubs agreed to not actively recruit from each other’s
rosters during the pandemic so arlington would be flying in the face of yhat...
First I've heard of a mutual non-compete clause for outside players. What clubs have agreed to do this?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/878490.page
I have heard from two friends who were looking to changes clubs but the new clubs are not responding. This would explain it. One friend was excited because the new club cost significantly less then his kid’s current club. The other had talked to a coach at the new club and was told(unofficial) her kid would make their first team.
So now both have to stay where they are until the clubs decides to let them go? It seems very unfair specially to kids. They have such a short period of time to play. How true do you think this is? Do you think it is legal(antitrust)?
Why would 09’s and 08’s “stay for the exposure” with Clyde. These girls are in elementary and middle school? If Clyde is so good with college recruiting McLean should have him coaching high school age kids. I bet he’s on his way to retirement and doesn’t want to deal with all the crazy Mclean parents who think their kid should be playing at UNC when they really belong D2/3. Also I have not heard he is a good developer. You need to get him already developed. This is a mistake for McLean IMO.
Anonymous
05/09/2020 10:24
Subject: Local clubs agreeing to a mutual non-compete
Anonymous wrote:So in the Arlington GA thread there is talk about mutual non-compete among local clubs.
Well 2008’s now have Clyde as their primary coach. Many will stay for the exposure and all have been guaranteed spots. Cant argue with Clyde’s track record as the girls get toward high school no matter how much of an ASA booster you are.
I call BS on arlington giving outside offers at this point. Many area clubs agreed to not actively recruit from each other’s
rosters during the pandemic so arlington would be flying in the face of yhat...
First I've heard of a mutual non-compete clause for outside players. What clubs have agreed to do this?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/878490.page
I have heard from two friends who were looking to changes clubs but the new clubs are not responding. This would explain it. One friend was excited because the new club cost significantly less then his kid’s current club. The other had talked to a coach at the new club and was told(unofficial) her kid would make their first team.
So now both have to stay where they are until the clubs decides to let them go? It seems very unfair specially to kids. They have such a short period of time to play. How true do you think this is? Do you think it is legal(antitrust)?
Let's see the club names...
Anonymous
05/09/2020 10:12
Subject: Local clubs agreeing to a mutual non-compete
So in the Arlington GA thread there is talk about mutual non-compete among local clubs.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/878490.page
I have heard from two friends who were looking to changes clubs but the new clubs are not responding. This would explain it. One friend was excited because the new club cost significantly less then his kid’s current club. The other had talked to a coach at the new club and was told(unofficial) her kid would make their first team.
So now both have to stay where they are until the clubs decides to let them go? It seems very unfair specially to kids. They have such a short period of time to play. How true do you think this is? Do you think it is legal(antitrust)?
Well 2008’s now have Clyde as their primary coach. Many will stay for the exposure and all have been guaranteed spots. Cant argue with Clyde’s track record as the girls get toward high school no matter how much of an ASA booster you are.
I call BS on arlington giving outside offers at this point. Many area clubs agreed to not actively recruit from each other’s
rosters during the pandemic so arlington would be flying in the face of yhat...
First I've heard of a mutual non-compete clause for outside players. What clubs have agreed to do this?
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/75/878490.page
I have heard from two friends who were looking to changes clubs but the new clubs are not responding. This would explain it. One friend was excited because the new club cost significantly less then his kid’s current club. The other had talked to a coach at the new club and was told(unofficial) her kid would make their first team.
So now both have to stay where they are until the clubs decides to let them go? It seems very unfair specially to kids. They have such a short period of time to play. How true do you think this is? Do you think it is legal(antitrust)?