Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 13:46     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion

Anonymous wrote:Some of this is unnecessary. I am a working single father with 100 percent custody. I have no help and my kids are preteens and one teen. First, who would pay me to do the housework in my own house? Second, some of the things SAHP's do is nice, but somewhat unnecessary at the frequency it's done. Like I do laundry at different schedules, sometimes more than others, i never wash windows, vacuum infrequently between the cleaning lady.

In short, this article is not really useful.


Interesting perspective. I am married SAHM and my DH actually appreciates the nice-to-haves that I provide. Maybe it is a SES thing and high HHI people want these nice-to-haves for themselves and their children. I don't know. I have outsourced the window washing etc. He is very much a happily married husband and involved dad and my kids have both loving parents in the house. Certainly nice to have. Dollar amount? Priceless.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 13:45     Subject: Re:NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a SAHM. Staying at home allows us a better, less hectic life and there are some savings and intangible benefits too because we are outsourcing less, cooking more, childcare, enrichment etc. However, no one is paying me for my labor. Giving SAHMs seperate pre-tax retirement savings instruments from primary earners or allowing them to pay into social security may be more helpful.

Since I was also a WOHM, I would prefer just equal pay in the workplace, paid maternity and paternity leave, flex schedule, on-site daycare and pumping facility. Lets start with making the lives of working women better so that we actually have pleasant choices about if we want to stay in the workforce or not.


It would actually be better if we require SAHM to pay into social security if they plan to receive it.


Not really. We are high income and contributing to SS won't be an issue for us. I think it should not be mandatory. I am sure many households are struggling to meet ends and childcare costs will eat up the 2nd income if the mom works. I did contribute for the required number of years to SS when I was working. I will be getting SS when I reach the retirement age. I am however not depending on SS for my retirement. It is tricky. How do you redistribute wealth with some degree of fairness?

Perhaps we are better off just trying to fight for equal pay and paid maternity leave.


Social Security is not an entitlement. You pay in you get money out. It's a retirement plan. You don't pay you don't receive. Plain and simple.

If you want to create a welfare system for SAHM, immigrants, and those that just don't pay into the system, that is fine. But SS is not a redistribution system.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 13:40     Subject: Re:NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I am a SAHM. Staying at home allows us a better, less hectic life and there are some savings and intangible benefits too because we are outsourcing less, cooking more, childcare, enrichment etc. However, no one is paying me for my labor. Giving SAHMs seperate pre-tax retirement savings instruments from primary earners or allowing them to pay into social security may be more helpful.

Since I was also a WOHM, I would prefer just equal pay in the workplace, paid maternity and paternity leave, flex schedule, on-site daycare and pumping facility. Lets start with making the lives of working women better so that we actually have pleasant choices about if we want to stay in the workforce or not.


It would actually be better if we require SAHM to pay into social security if they plan to receive it.


Not really. We are high income and contributing to SS won't be an issue for us. I think it should not be mandatory. I am sure many households are struggling to meet ends and childcare costs will eat up the 2nd income if the mom works. I did contribute for the required number of years to SS when I was working. I will be getting SS when I reach the retirement age. I am however not depending on SS for my retirement. It is tricky. How do you redistribute wealth with some degree of fairness?

Perhaps we are better off just trying to fight for equal pay and paid maternity leave.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 13:37     Subject: Re:NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion

Articles like this help no one. Are they implying women should be paid to take care of their own children? Should I get paid for cooking for myself and my family? What about doing laundry, that includes my own? And what about DH’s contributions? He takes out the trash, cooks and does dishes equally, makes small repairs or arranges with contractors for larger repairs.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 13:35     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I've never really understood this argument, and I'm a woman. Is the implication that we should get a salary for these things? There are certain tasks that are just about keeping your life up and running. Moreover, who would pay us for, say, doing the dishes or the laundry?


I don't get it either. I skimmed the article and it was talking about things like grocery shopping. Is the implication that doing things that are basically just life is now supposed to be paid work? Paid by who exactly?


HAHA... they count getting groceries?
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 13:30     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion

Some of this is unnecessary. I am a working single father with 100 percent custody. I have no help and my kids are preteens and one teen. First, who would pay me to do the housework in my own house? Second, some of the things SAHP's do is nice, but somewhat unnecessary at the frequency it's done. Like I do laundry at different schedules, sometimes more than others, i never wash windows, vacuum infrequently between the cleaning lady.

In short, this article is not really useful.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 13:30     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion

Anonymous wrote:I've never really understood this argument, and I'm a woman. Is the implication that we should get a salary for these things? There are certain tasks that are just about keeping your life up and running. Moreover, who would pay us for, say, doing the dishes or the laundry?


I don't get it either. I skimmed the article and it was talking about things like grocery shopping. Is the implication that doing things that are basically just life is now supposed to be paid work? Paid by who exactly?
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 13:27     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think I should necessarily get paid for what I do as a stay at home mom (I don’t like the transactional nature of that idea), but I appreciate articles like this just because people undervalue and under-appreciate unpair labor. Some people (not DCUM people) think SAHMs don’t contribute because we don’t earn.


I would appreciate it if they measure all unpaid work by all people.

I don't think 1 group actually has cornered the market on unpaid work.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 13:25     Subject: Re:NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion

Anonymous wrote:I am a SAHM. Staying at home allows us a better, less hectic life and there are some savings and intangible benefits too because we are outsourcing less, cooking more, childcare, enrichment etc. However, no one is paying me for my labor. Giving SAHMs seperate pre-tax retirement savings instruments from primary earners or allowing them to pay into social security may be more helpful.

Since I was also a WOHM, I would prefer just equal pay in the workplace, paid maternity and paternity leave, flex schedule, on-site daycare and pumping facility. Lets start with making the lives of working women better so that we actually have pleasant choices about if we want to stay in the workforce or not.


It would actually be better if we require SAHM to pay into social security if they plan to receive it.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 13:17     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion

I don’t think I should necessarily get paid for what I do as a stay at home mom (I don’t like the transactional nature of that idea), but I appreciate articles like this just because people undervalue and under-appreciate unpair labor. Some people (not DCUM people) think SAHMs don’t contribute because we don’t earn.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 13:11     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion

this is so stupid. print anything to sell papers
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 13:10     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion

Nonsense. My husband does an equal amount, more in some aspects. This is just another way of holding women to domestic jobs.

Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 13:08     Subject: Re:NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion

I am a SAHM. Staying at home allows us a better, less hectic life and there are some savings and intangible benefits too because we are outsourcing less, cooking more, childcare, enrichment etc. However, no one is paying me for my labor. Giving SAHMs seperate pre-tax retirement savings instruments from primary earners or allowing them to pay into social security may be more helpful.

Since I was also a WOHM, I would prefer just equal pay in the workplace, paid maternity and paternity leave, flex schedule, on-site daycare and pumping facility. Lets start with making the lives of working women better so that we actually have pleasant choices about if we want to stay in the workforce or not.
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 12:30     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion

I've never really understood this argument, and I'm a woman. Is the implication that we should get a salary for these things? There are certain tasks that are just about keeping your life up and running. Moreover, who would pay us for, say, doing the dishes or the laundry?
Anonymous
Post 03/05/2020 12:28     Subject: NYT: Women's Unpaid Labor is Worth $10.9 Trillion

If American women earned minimum wage for the unpaid work they do around the house and caring for relatives, they would have made $1.5 trillion last year.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/04/opinion/women-unpaid-labor.html