Anonymous
Post 01/15/2020 09:29     Subject: s/o Per Pupil Spending - VA vs. Northeast
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PP here. I also want to point out that Cambridge has also historically spent a lot on programs that make it the testing ground for a number of pioneering programs on school choice, integration, etc. This is not true of other "normal" school districts.

Its small size and its proximity to multiple universities/research institutions (not just Harvard/MIT but also schools like Lesley that specialize in education) drive this.


All good reasons for raising the per pupil spending in APS - we are the opposite of innovative.



APS doesn't have the access to researchers, community support (sorry, but APS parents are not the same as typical CPS parents), and the small size for this. It is a waste of funds in the case of APS to try to do this. APS can imitate and copy best practices from Cambridge at a lower cost per person, but it cannot and should not do the same thing with regard to being a testing ground where these practices are identified.


Yes, I wasn’t saying to create a whole education incubator. We should increase spending though so we stop heading in the opposite direction. AKA cutting services and programs. Year after year we are paring down to bare basics.

So let’s increase per pupil spending and copy some of the successful programs/practices from more innovative systems.
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2020 09:24     Subject: s/o Per Pupil Spending - VA vs. Northeast
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:PP here. I also want to point out that Cambridge has also historically spent a lot on programs that make it the testing ground for a number of pioneering programs on school choice, integration, etc. This is not true of other "normal" school districts.

Its small size and its proximity to multiple universities/research institutions (not just Harvard/MIT but also schools like Lesley that specialize in education) drive this.


All good reasons for raising the per pupil spending in APS - we are the opposite of innovative.



APS doesn't have the access to researchers, community support (sorry, but APS parents are not the same as typical CPS parents), and the small size for this. It is a waste of funds in the case of APS to try to do this. APS can imitate and copy best practices from Cambridge at a lower cost per person, but it cannot and should not do the same thing with regard to being a testing ground where these practices are identified.
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2020 09:20     Subject: s/o Per Pupil Spending - VA vs. Northeast
Anonymous wrote:PP here. I also want to point out that Cambridge has also historically spent a lot on programs that make it the testing ground for a number of pioneering programs on school choice, integration, etc. This is not true of other "normal" school districts.

Its small size and its proximity to multiple universities/research institutions (not just Harvard/MIT but also schools like Lesley that specialize in education) drive this.


All good reasons for raising the per pupil spending in APS - we are the opposite of innovative.
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2020 09:14     Subject: s/o Per Pupil Spending - VA vs. Northeast
PP here. I also want to point out that Cambridge has also historically spent a lot on programs that make it the testing ground for a number of pioneering programs on school choice, integration, etc. This is not true of other "normal" school districts.

Its small size and its proximity to multiple universities/research institutions (not just Harvard/MIT but also schools like Lesley that specialize in education) drive this.
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2020 09:13     Subject: s/o Per Pupil Spending - VA vs. Northeast
Anonymous wrote:LOL there is nothing similar between Cambridge, MA and Arlington, VA.

Cambridge Public Schools serves about 6,500 students from K to 12. Arlington serves almost 30,000 students.

Cambridge has one high school, Cambridge Rindge and Latin, which has about 1,800 students.

Cambridge has (other than specialized vocational districts that contain one school) the highest per-pupil spending in MA. You may want to look at other districts., http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/statereport/ppx.aspx

Note that neighboring Somerville has a PPS that is much more similar to APS. And Somerville still has some of the highest spending in MA. Medford, which is also in that general area has a spending of 18,000 per student.

In terms of many things, including K-12 education, Cambridge is an oddity. Look--the city is basically a small area carved out around Harvard and MIT. There is no comparison to it in the USA, really, not even other college towns.


Yes, I provided a link to other school systems in MA (and NY and NJ).

Pick another school system that’s a better fit in terms of size and tax base.
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2020 09:12     Subject: s/o Per Pupil Spending - VA vs. Northeast
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:APS is 6 times bigger than Cambridge in terms of head count. In NY and NJ - and i think in MA too - they are well known for having much smaller districts. I presume that impacts the cost of things.


I’m sure there are many factors, but someone on another thread disputed the premise that APS per pupil spending isn’t much lower than other school districts in the NE.


That’s not how I read that conversation, but spin as you will.



Poster 1: Are you implying that Arlington doesn’t spent A LOT on education?

Poster 2: Not compared to other school systems in the Northeast.

Poster 1: Based on those comparisons, how much do you think Arlington should be spending on a per pupil basis? How much are those school systems you referenced spending?

Anonymous
Post 01/15/2020 09:07     Subject: s/o Per Pupil Spending - VA vs. Northeast
LOL there is nothing similar between Cambridge, MA and Arlington, VA.

Cambridge Public Schools serves about 6,500 students from K to 12. Arlington serves almost 30,000 students.

Cambridge has one high school, Cambridge Rindge and Latin, which has about 1,800 students.

Cambridge has (other than specialized vocational districts that contain one school) the highest per-pupil spending in MA. You may want to look at other districts., http://profiles.doe.mass.edu/statereport/ppx.aspx

Note that neighboring Somerville has a PPS that is much more similar to APS. And Somerville still has some of the highest spending in MA. Medford, which is also in that general area has a spending of 18,000 per student.

In terms of many things, including K-12 education, Cambridge is an oddity. Look--the city is basically a small area carved out around Harvard and MIT. There is no comparison to it in the USA, really, not even other college towns.
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2020 09:06     Subject: s/o Per Pupil Spending - VA vs. Northeast
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:APS is 6 times bigger than Cambridge in terms of head count. In NY and NJ - and i think in MA too - they are well known for having much smaller districts. I presume that impacts the cost of things.


I’m sure there are many factors, but someone on another thread disputed the premise that APS per pupil spending isn’t much lower than other school districts in the NE.


That’s not how I read that conversation, but spin as you will.
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2020 08:53     Subject: s/o Per Pupil Spending - VA vs. Northeast
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:APS is 6 times bigger than Cambridge in terms of head count. In NY and NJ - and i think in MA too - they are well known for having much smaller districts. I presume that impacts the cost of things.

I assume taxes are also higher in Cambridge.


Probably. We should raise taxes and spend more on education.


Taxes could be higher. They aren’t, so as to allow older folks to age in place and to keep lower income homeowners in their neighborhoods. Also, the middle is getting really squeezed. If we want to beef up the “missing middle,” higher taxes present a challenge. Basically, it’s not going to happen, not since the county doesn’t really give a d*** about schools and thinks they already get too much of the budget.
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2020 08:42     Subject: s/o Per Pupil Spending - VA vs. Northeast
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:APS is 6 times bigger than Cambridge in terms of head count. In NY and NJ - and i think in MA too - they are well known for having much smaller districts. I presume that impacts the cost of things.

I assume taxes are also higher in Cambridge.


Probably. We should raise taxes and spend more on education.
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2020 08:41     Subject: s/o Per Pupil Spending - VA vs. Northeast
Anonymous wrote:APS is 6 times bigger than Cambridge in terms of head count. In NY and NJ - and i think in MA too - they are well known for having much smaller districts. I presume that impacts the cost of things.


I’m sure there are many factors, but someone on another thread disputed the premise that APS per pupil spending isn’t much lower than other school districts in the NE.
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2020 08:36     Subject: s/o Per Pupil Spending - VA vs. Northeast
Anonymous wrote:APS is 6 times bigger than Cambridge in terms of head count. In NY and NJ - and i think in MA too - they are well known for having much smaller districts. I presume that impacts the cost of things.

I assume taxes are also higher in Cambridge.
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2020 08:18     Subject: s/o Per Pupil Spending - VA vs. Northeast
Anonymous wrote:Someone wanted more info on the per pupil spending in APS vs. other areas of the country. Here you go...

APS: $19,921

Cambridge, MA (similar to Arlington): $29,206.43

The average New Jersey school district spent $21,866 per student in 2017-18. (for comparison, VA average is $11,886 per pupil). Many districts are in the $30k range.

In NY state, the median spending per student in Upstate New York, outside of the five major cities, is $25,600. Many are in $30-50k range.


https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/FY-2020-WABE-Guide.pdf

https://www.masslive.com/news/erry-2018/12/e0a2680f7e9903/the-massachusetts-school-distr.html

https://www.nj.com/education/2019/08/heres-what-every-nj-district-spends-per-student.html

https://www.syracuse.com/schools/2018/05/compare_spending_per_student_at_more_than_600_public_schools_in_new_york.html


LOL, no.
Anonymous
Post 01/15/2020 08:12     Subject: s/o Per Pupil Spending - VA vs. Northeast
APS is 6 times bigger than Cambridge in terms of head count. In NY and NJ - and i think in MA too - they are well known for having much smaller districts. I presume that impacts the cost of things.
Anonymous
Post 01/14/2020 21:32     Subject: s/o Per Pupil Spending - VA vs. Northeast
Someone wanted more info on the per pupil spending in APS vs. other areas of the country. Here you go...

APS: $19,921

Cambridge, MA (similar to Arlington): $29,206.43

The average New Jersey school district spent $21,866 per student in 2017-18. (for comparison, VA average is $11,886 per pupil). Many districts are in the $30k range.

In NY state, the median spending per student in Upstate New York, outside of the five major cities, is $25,600. Many are in $30-50k range.


https://www.apsva.us/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/FY-2020-WABE-Guide.pdf

https://www.masslive.com/news/erry-2018/12/e0a2680f7e9903/the-massachusetts-school-distr.html

https://www.nj.com/education/2019/08/heres-what-every-nj-district-spends-per-student.html

https://www.syracuse.com/schools/2018/05/compare_spending_per_student_at_more_than_600_public_schools_in_new_york.html