Anonymous
Post 01/11/2020 12:22     Subject: Harvard Law Review: Avoid permanent minority rule in the US by making DC into *many* states

Oh Lordy.

Crazies everywhere.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2020 12:18     Subject: Harvard Law Review: Avoid permanent minority rule in the US by making DC into *many* states

Anonymous wrote:Also conservatives will say:

"DC sucks / You can't trust DC / Corruption / Developers / Gentrification / <something about racial division> / guns / traffic / mayor" etc etc

Get lost with that stuff.

DC is a vibrant world city that is a great place to live and has more diversity and more public-service oriented upstanding smart people than almost anywhere.

If you were going to pick a single place in the country to make into many states to save our country, it would be DC.

If you don't like DC, don't live here and don't post here.
And if you're a troll that posts enmity about DC to polarize this message board and derail real discussion, please also don't post.


viva DC!


This has nothing to do with DC, and everything to do with fundamentally reshaping the US government through manipulation of the system. The ultimate "ends justify the means" plan. I am as liberal as anyone, and I think anyone suggesting or supporting this is a flippin' moron.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2020 11:50     Subject: Re:Harvard Law Review: Avoid permanent minority rule in the US by making DC into *many* states

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We haven’t had a civil war I quite some time, so maybe we are due.


I hope you are a troll, otherwise this is an incredibly stupid comment.


Not at all. Such a naked attempt to make rural states subservient to the coasts could very well lead to a civil war, or potentially Velvet Revolution and a peaceful separation in a better case.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2020 11:42     Subject: Re:Harvard Law Review: Avoid permanent minority rule in the US by making DC into *many* states

Anonymous wrote:We haven’t had a civil war I quite some time, so maybe we are due.


I hope you are a troll, otherwise this is an incredibly stupid comment.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2020 11:32     Subject: Harvard Law Review: Avoid permanent minority rule in the US by making DC into *many* states

Anonymous wrote:Just be aware that because the GOP have packed the courts with illegitimate Trump judges (including 2 illegitimate SCOTUS Trump judges), this would certainly be rejected by the Supreme Court.

So the first step is for liberals to start ignoring Gorsuch and Kavanaugh's illegitimate votes. When a president steals an election by fraud, illegality, and a ton of help from Russia, his judges are fake. Fake president, fake judges.


You said including the Trump judges. Who else in your mind is illegitimate?
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2020 11:31     Subject: Re:Harvard Law Review: Avoid permanent minority rule in the US by making DC into *many* states

We haven’t had a civil war I quite some time, so maybe we are due.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2020 11:29     Subject: Harvard Law Review: Avoid permanent minority rule in the US by making DC into *many* states

Just be aware that because the GOP have packed the courts with illegitimate Trump judges (including 2 illegitimate SCOTUS Trump judges), this would certainly be rejected by the Supreme Court.

So the first step is for liberals to start ignoring Gorsuch and Kavanaugh's illegitimate votes. When a president steals an election by fraud, illegality, and a ton of help from Russia, his judges are fake. Fake president, fake judges.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2020 11:27     Subject: Harvard Law Review: Avoid permanent minority rule in the US by making DC into *many* states

Anonymous wrote:Yeah sure. And we'll to the same thing with every one-stoplight town in every red state on the map. Our states, our rules. Just like DC.


First:

Good, bring it. This is a majority-liberal country and liberals control the vast vast majority of the economy. Blue states are givers, and red states are federal-tax takers. If conservatives want to turn this into a fight, liberals and cities are gonna win and it will not be close.

Second:

No. Constitutionally it's easy to add states from territory that is not part of a state. It is much much harder to merge or divide states. Tough luck that Republicans kept DC out as a state for so long.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2020 11:25     Subject: Re:Harvard Law Review: Avoid permanent minority rule in the US by making DC into *many* states

The article arguing that such a plan would pass constitutional muster hardly makes that true and there would be many people, across the political spectrum, who would disagree.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2020 11:24     Subject: Harvard Law Review: Avoid permanent minority rule in the US by making DC into *many* states

Also conservatives will say:

"DC sucks / You can't trust DC / Corruption / Developers / Gentrification / <something about racial division> / guns / traffic / mayor" etc etc

Get lost with that stuff.

DC is a vibrant world city that is a great place to live and has more diversity and more public-service oriented upstanding smart people than almost anywhere.

If you were going to pick a single place in the country to make into many states to save our country, it would be DC.

If you don't like DC, don't live here and don't post here.
And if you're a troll that posts enmity about DC to polarize this message board and derail real discussion, please also don't post.


viva DC!
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2020 11:23     Subject: Harvard Law Review: Avoid permanent minority rule in the US by making DC into *many* states

Who wrote this?
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2020 11:21     Subject: Harvard Law Review: Avoid permanent minority rule in the US by making DC into *many* states

Yeah sure. And we'll to the same thing with every one-stoplight town in every red state on the map. Our states, our rules. Just like DC.

Except we have a lot more.

So you can go from being governed by a conservative minority, to be governed by a conservative majority.


Your decision.
Anonymous
Post 01/11/2020 11:20     Subject: Re:Harvard Law Review: Avoid permanent minority rule in the US by making DC into *many* states

Footnotes here. Worth reading the whole article.



Anonymous
Post 01/11/2020 11:19     Subject: Harvard Law Review: Avoid permanent minority rule in the US by making DC into *many* states

Get ready for the kneejerk conservative responses:

"It's unconstitutional!" No, it's not. See the article.

"Join with Maryland!" No, the point is to fix minority rule.

"The Senate was created by the founders and should stay the same forever!" No, legalized slavery was written in by the founders too. This is why we have amendments.

"It's unfair to Republicans!" So was Bush stealing the 2000 election, this president stealing the 2016 election, and the Senate GOP stacking the courts with unqualified hacks. Time to fight fire with fire.

Anonymous
Post 01/11/2020 11:17     Subject: Harvard Law Review: Avoid permanent minority rule in the US by making DC into *many* states

Yes.

America's urban areas are the most productive and vibrant part of our American economy and the thing that makes us unique in the world economically.

I am sick and tired of being in an urban area and being ruled by rural conservatives who believe the lies they're spoonfed by Fox and other rightwing media.

Finally, someone wrote up this proposal. Make DC into many small states, change the constitution to make it more fair, then merge the new DC states into a single DC state.

We should all be sick of being ruled by a conservative minority.

https://harvardlawreview.org/2020/01/pack-the-union-a-proposal-to-admit-new-states-for-the-purpose-of-amending-the-constitution-to-ensure-equal-representation/

For most of the twenty-first century, the world’s oldest surviving democracy has been led by a chief executive who received fewer votes than his opponent in an election for the position.
The first of these executives started a war based on false pretenses that killed hundreds of thousands of civilians.
The second — a serial abuser of women who hired as his campaign manager a lobbyist for violent dictatorships — authorized an immigration policy that forcibly separated migrant children from their families and indefinitely detained them in facilities described as “concentration camps.”


Recent events have highlighted some of the ways in which federal elections in the United States are profoundly undemocratic and, thus, profoundly unfair.
The Electoral College — when it contravenes the popular vote — is an obvious example of this unfairness. But it is just one of the mathematically undemocratic features in the Constitution. Equal representation of states in the Senate, for example, gives citizens of low-population states undue influence in Congress. Conversely, American citizens residing in U.S. territories have no meaningful representation in Congress or the Electoral College.




What's the solution? Make DC into many states. Admit them. Then change the constitution to fix rule by a conservative minority.


While a step in the right direction, these proposals are inadequate. To create a system where every vote counts equally, the Constitution must be amended. To do this, Congress should pass legislation reducing the size of Washington, D.C., to an area encompassing only a few core federal buildings and then admit the rest of the District’s 127 neighborhoods as states. These states — which could be added with a simple congressional majority — would add enough votes in Congress to ratify four amendments: (1) a transfer of the Senate’s power to a body that represents citizens equally; (2) an expansion of the House so that all citizens are represented in equal-sized districts; (3) a replacement of the Electoral College with a popular vote; and (4) a modification of the Constitution’s amendment process that would ensure future amendments are ratified by states representing most Americans.

Radical as this proposal may sound, it is no more radical than a nominally democratic system of government that gives citizens widely disproportionate voting power depending on where they live. The people should not tolerate a system that is manifestly unfair; they should instead fight fire with fire, and use the unfair provisions of the Constitution to create a better system.