Anonymous
Post 11/12/2019 09:12     Subject: I don’t get DACA
Anonymous wrote:I will note that all DACA does is protect them from deportation and make them eligible for work permits. It does NOT make them citizens.

The DREAM act provides a path to citizenship for them. Not automatic citizenship, but rather a path to it.


And allows all sorts of other benefits at the expense of other legal immigrants and citizens.
Anonymous
Post 11/12/2019 08:29     Subject: I don’t get DACA
Anonymous wrote:The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?


So back to OP, your logic is that Madoff family should have kept the money he embezzled?

Kids did not commit the crime, they should keep the billions.

Solid plan.
Anonymous
Post 11/12/2019 08:11     Subject: I don’t get DACA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This does seem overly complicated to me. If my parents stood money from a bank or embezzled a bunch of money and gave it me I do not get to keep it; or do I?

I just do not see what the big deal is to have the kids go through the normal immigration process, or am I missing some other part of this debate?


I am assuming you are asking these questions genuinely. Suppose you adopt a child from say, China, and bring that child (may be months old or a toddler) into the U.S. for living with you. The child had no say in your bringing the child to the U.S. Then you bring the child up to be an adult in the U.S. The child knows only the American society and life in the U.S. All known people to the child are in the U.S. only. The child never visited China, doesn't know anyone in China, and may or may not speak Chinese language. After the child became an adult, having graduated from a college, gainfully employed, and never committed any crime, suppose the Government says you should send the now adult back to China (suppose your earlier adoption process had a flaw and so deemed invalid) and should follow existing immigration procedures to come back to the U.S. and not rely on your sponsorship (since parents of DACA children are themselves unauthorized to live in the U.S. they can't sponsor DACA children for U.S. citizenship).

How would you feel? How would your now grown adopted son/daughter feel?


They came legally.

DACA is a problem and could have been solved by Congress long ago if either side was willing to compromise. But, as long as you give these kids citizenship, they will keep coming. That's one reason we have the issue with unaccompanied minors.

Obama should have put pressure on Congress, not issued an EO.
Anonymous
Post 11/12/2019 08:05     Subject: I don’t get DACA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You are missing the human part. Sadly, there is no cure for you.


This is just a typical emotional appeal. Can't this logic be used to run America into the ground dispensing more "humanity"? There are innumerable evils in the world. America can't be responsible for curing all of them. The argument is one of degree.

DP... sure, but we also shouldn't turn a blind eye to suffering, should we? We aren't going into far off countries to relieve their suffering. DACA is about children who brought to the US, our country, not to Europe or Canada.
Anonymous
Post 11/12/2019 08:03     Subject: I don’t get DACA
^^^^

This exact thing is happening all over the country right now. It is horrific.
Anonymous
Post 11/12/2019 08:03     Subject: I don’t get DACA
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You are missing the human part. Sadly, there is no cure for you.


This is just a typical emotional appeal. Can't this logic be used to run America into the ground dispensing more "humanity"? There are innumerable evils in the world. America can't be responsible for curing all of them. The argument is one of degree.


If you don’t understand the human part, use the investment/return argument that 7:45 offered.
Anonymous
Post 11/12/2019 08:01     Subject: I don’t get DACA
Anonymous wrote:This does seem overly complicated to me. If my parents stood money from a bank or embezzled a bunch of money and gave it me I do not get to keep it; or do I?

I just do not see what the big deal is to have the kids go through the normal immigration process, or am I missing some other part of this debate?


I am assuming you are asking these questions genuinely. Suppose you adopt a child from say, China, and bring that child (may be months old or a toddler) into the U.S. for living with you. The child had no say in your bringing the child to the U.S. Then you bring the child up to be an adult in the U.S. The child knows only the American society and life in the U.S. All known people to the child are in the U.S. only. The child never visited China, doesn't know anyone in China, and may or may not speak Chinese language. After the child became an adult, having graduated from a college, gainfully employed, and never committed any crime, suppose the Government says you should send the now adult back to China (suppose your earlier adoption process had a flaw and so deemed invalid) and should follow existing immigration procedures to come back to the U.S. and not rely on your sponsorship (since parents of DACA children are themselves unauthorized to live in the U.S. they can't sponsor DACA children for U.S. citizenship).

How would you feel? How would your now grown adopted son/daughter feel?
Anonymous
Post 11/12/2019 08:00     Subject: I don’t get DACA
I am doing a family genealogy project to get citizenship in a European country from where six of my great-grandparents and two of my grandparents immigrated. In doing so, I discovered that none of my great-grandparents or my grandmother actually naturalized. They just got on ships, arrived at points of entry, and disappeared into the country. So, we are very high and mighty on illegal immigration, but if you did any digging in your own family tree, most of us have a bunch of relatives that just showed up and built lives here. DACA applies to children who had no volition as to why and how they got here. Why penalize them for the "sins" of their parents? If a parent murders someone, we don't put their children in prison. And immigration detention centers ARE prisons.
Anonymous
Post 11/12/2019 07:57     Subject: I don’t get DACA
Anonymous wrote:You are missing the human part. Sadly, there is no cure for you.


This is just a typical emotional appeal. Can't this logic be used to run America into the ground dispensing more "humanity"? There are innumerable evils in the world. America can't be responsible for curing all of them. The argument is one of degree.
Anonymous
Post 11/12/2019 07:51     Subject: I don’t get DACA
Let's say your parents walked hundreds of miles to find you a safe place to live and get a good education. After growing up in this new location, you are suddenly torn from the only place you know and sent to a country where you don't know anyone and do not speak the language. If you don't understand this then there isn't much we can do for you as a person.
Anonymous
Post 11/12/2019 07:45     Subject: I don’t get DACA
Anonymous wrote:This does seem overly complicated to me. If my parents stood money from a bank or embezzled a bunch of money and gave it me I do not get to keep it; or do I?

I just do not see what the big deal is to have the kids go through the normal immigration process, or am I missing some other part of this debate?


It isn't the kids fault the parents broke the law. They were educated here, associate as being Americans, many serve in the military. We have invested millions in taxpayer education dollars and these folks have returned many millions more in productivity and taxes. What possible benefit is there to deporting them now?
Anonymous
Post 11/12/2019 07:38     Subject: I don’t get DACA
You are missing the human part. Sadly, there is no cure for you.
Anonymous
Post 11/12/2019 07:30     Subject: I don’t get DACA
I will note that all DACA does is protect them from deportation and make them eligible for work permits. It does NOT make them citizens.

The DREAM act provides a path to citizenship for them. Not automatic citizenship, but rather a path to it.
Anonymous
Post 11/12/2019 07:28     Subject: I don’t get DACA
The issue is they could get deported back to a country they don’t know or have any connection to. This gives them safety. What’s your problem with that?
Anonymous
Post 11/12/2019 07:25     Subject: I don’t get DACA
This does seem overly complicated to me. If my parents stood money from a bank or embezzled a bunch of money and gave it me I do not get to keep it; or do I?

I just do not see what the big deal is to have the kids go through the normal immigration process, or am I missing some other part of this debate?