Anonymous
10/16/2019 18:49
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. Positive models of whiteness! Like white people who do not center themselves in every discussion about the effects of structural racism and active white supremacy. They’re out there.
are you trying to say that you think the linked article is "centering" and shouldn't have been published?
No, I’m saying that the OP’s insistence that kids can’t be inoculated against becoming white supremacists without “positive white role models” is silly...and racist.
The article is fine.
why is that silly? We’re talking about kids. Do you really think that teaching kids whiteness is negative is a good way to raise kids who are anti-racist? I don’t think you’ve thought this through.
Anonymous
10/16/2019 17:36
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous
10/16/2019 17:30
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes. Positive models of whiteness! Like white people who do not center themselves in every discussion about the effects of structural racism and active white supremacy. They’re out there.
are you trying to say that you think the linked article is "centering" and shouldn't have been published?
No, I’m saying that the OP’s insistence that kids can’t be inoculated against becoming white supremacists without “positive white role models” is silly...and racist.
The article is fine.
Anonymous
10/16/2019 16:11
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:I am not sure that we need to provide positive role models for whiteness. They are already all around.
But I do agree we need to stop denigrating white people in left wing discourse.
Can you explain what you mean by "positive role models"? Do you mean like Abraham Lincoln etc, or do you just mean images of white men in power? If the latter - I feel like that's too subtle for a young kid to really grasp; and I also think that it's not as visible in a multiethnic majority/minority city like DC (where all my kids drs and teachers have been African American women, almost!)
Anonymous
10/16/2019 16:07
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
I am not sure that we need to provide positive role models for whiteness. They are already all around.
But I do agree we need to stop denigrating white people in left wing discourse.
But I do agree we need to stop denigrating white people in left wing discourse.
Anonymous
10/16/2019 16:01
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone read this essay from the NYTimes Magazine? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/opinion/sunday/white-supremacist-recruitment.html
I thought it was very thought-provoking. My son is only 7, but for me one of the key lines is this: "Parents of white kids need to talk about race and racism and how they’ve played out in this country — a lot. That history includes horrors and tragedies, but as Dr. Tochluk says, it also “includes the fact that there have always been groups of white people in the United States who have fought for freedom and liberty for all.”"
I've gotten really heated responses from my very liberal friends online when I say this, but now that whiteness has been reified, white kids (esp boys) have to be given positive models of whiteness. There's no way whiteness can be just "bad" in popular culture, and not expect that adolescent boys won't object to that. 12-13-14 is too young to fully understand ideas like white privilege, in my opinion. Sometimes I also think that the discourse on "white supremacy" as an abstract almost supernatural, ahistorical force is also ultimately very counter-productive.
I disagree with you and believe these concepts can be taught in age-appropriate ways. They are inundated every day with examples of "positive models of whiteness."
Do you have a 7 year old? 7 year olds are very literal. What do you mean about "positive models of whiteness." I'm specifically talking about positive models of whiteness/maleness in terms of fighting for freedom for the less powerful. I don't see anything wrong with this, and in fact it's one of the best ways I have to explain to my child why, for example, there can be t-shirts that say "girls rule," but not "boys rule."
(Also - another effective thing I discuss with him is how white people can be oppressed as well, like our Irish ancestors in the Potato Famine. I basically want to resist the idea of whiteness as some kind of overwhelming thing, because the flip side of that is white supremacy.)
Anonymous
10/16/2019 15:59
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anyone read this essay from the NYTimes Magazine? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/opinion/sunday/white-supremacist-recruitment.html
I thought it was very thought-provoking. My son is only 7, but for me one of the key lines is this: "Parents of white kids need to talk about race and racism and how they’ve played out in this country — a lot. That history includes horrors and tragedies, but as Dr. Tochluk says, it also “includes the fact that there have always been groups of white people in the United States who have fought for freedom and liberty for all.”"
I've gotten really heated responses from my very liberal friends online when I say this, but now that whiteness has been reified, white kids (esp boys) have to be given positive models of whiteness. There's no way whiteness can be just "bad" in popular culture, and not expect that adolescent boys won't object to that. 12-13-14 is too young to fully understand ideas like white privilege, in my opinion. Sometimes I also think that the discourse on "white supremacy" as an abstract almost supernatural, ahistorical force is also ultimately very counter-productive.
I disagree with you and believe these concepts can be taught in age-appropriate ways. They are inundated every day with examples of "positive models of whiteness."
Do you have a 7 year old? 7 year olds are very literal. What do you mean about "positive models of whiteness." I'm specifically talking about positive models of whiteness/maleness in terms of fighting for freedom for the less powerful. I don't see anything wrong with this, and in fact it's one of the best ways I have to explain to my child why, for example, there can be t-shirts that say "girls rule," but not "boys rule."
Anonymous
10/16/2019 15:54
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Anyone read this essay from the NYTimes Magazine? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/opinion/sunday/white-supremacist-recruitment.html
I thought it was very thought-provoking. My son is only 7, but for me one of the key lines is this: "Parents of white kids need to talk about race and racism and how they’ve played out in this country — a lot. That history includes horrors and tragedies, but as Dr. Tochluk says, it also “includes the fact that there have always been groups of white people in the United States who have fought for freedom and liberty for all.”"
I've gotten really heated responses from my very liberal friends online when I say this, but now that whiteness has been reified, white kids (esp boys) have to be given positive models of whiteness. There's no way whiteness can be just "bad" in popular culture, and not expect that adolescent boys won't object to that. 12-13-14 is too young to fully understand ideas like white privilege, in my opinion. Sometimes I also think that the discourse on "white supremacy" as an abstract almost supernatural, ahistorical force is also ultimately very counter-productive.
I disagree with you and believe these concepts can be taught in age-appropriate ways. They are inundated every day with examples of "positive models of whiteness."
Anonymous
10/16/2019 15:53
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Yes. Positive models of whiteness! Like white people who do not center themselves in every discussion about the effects of structural racism and active white supremacy. They’re out there.
are you trying to say that you think the linked article is "centering" and shouldn't have been published?
Anonymous
10/16/2019 15:52
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Yes. Positive models of whiteness! Like white people who do not center themselves in every discussion about the effects of structural racism and active white supremacy. They’re out there.
well, 7 year olds are too young to understand about "centering." And in fact, "centering" (as a way of creating empathy by getting kids to reflect on how they would feel if they were in the minority) is really one of the better tools I have as a parent. "centering" IMO is an internet concept that is not really useful, and creates the dynamic that the author is discussing that may drive vulnerable boys into the alt-right.
Anonymous
10/16/2019 15:50
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Oh for pete's sake, would you people give it a rest! Leave these kids alone and stop poisoning them with your thought police crap and they will be fine. Just get out of the way with your generational baggage and let them be.
Please clarify
Anonymous
10/16/2019 15:49
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anonymous wrote:Yes. Positive models of whiteness! Like white people who do not center themselves in every discussion about the effects of structural racism and active white supremacy. They’re out there.
Lol, and for all the others there is this inspirational article above.
It’s prompting discussion that needs to happen in order to break down misconceptions, so I’m not really mad at it.
Anonymous
10/16/2019 15:47
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Oh for pete's sake, would you people give it a rest! Leave these kids alone and stop poisoning them with your thought police crap and they will be fine. Just get out of the way with your generational baggage and let them be.
Anonymous
10/16/2019 15:45
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Yes. Positive models of whiteness! Like white people who do not center themselves in every discussion about the effects of structural racism and active white supremacy. They’re out there.
Anonymous
10/16/2019 15:30
Subject: "Racists are recruiting. Watch your white sons."
Anyone read this essay from the NYTimes Magazine? https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/12/opinion/sunday/white-supremacist-recruitment.html
I thought it was very thought-provoking. My son is only 7, but for me one of the key lines is this: "Parents of white kids need to talk about race and racism and how they’ve played out in this country — a lot. That history includes horrors and tragedies, but as Dr. Tochluk says, it also “includes the fact that there have always been groups of white people in the United States who have fought for freedom and liberty for all.”"
I've gotten really heated responses from my very liberal friends online when I say this, but now that whiteness has been reified, white kids (esp boys) have to be given positive models of whiteness. There's no way whiteness can be just "bad" in popular culture, and not expect that adolescent boys won't object to that. 12-13-14 is too young to fully understand ideas like white privilege, in my opinion. Sometimes I also think that the discourse on "white supremacy" as an abstract almost supernatural, ahistorical force is also ultimately very counter-productive.
I thought it was very thought-provoking. My son is only 7, but for me one of the key lines is this: "Parents of white kids need to talk about race and racism and how they’ve played out in this country — a lot. That history includes horrors and tragedies, but as Dr. Tochluk says, it also “includes the fact that there have always been groups of white people in the United States who have fought for freedom and liberty for all.”"
I've gotten really heated responses from my very liberal friends online when I say this, but now that whiteness has been reified, white kids (esp boys) have to be given positive models of whiteness. There's no way whiteness can be just "bad" in popular culture, and not expect that adolescent boys won't object to that. 12-13-14 is too young to fully understand ideas like white privilege, in my opinion. Sometimes I also think that the discourse on "white supremacy" as an abstract almost supernatural, ahistorical force is also ultimately very counter-productive.