Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 13:17     Subject: Re:Granny flats and neighborhood change in Montgomery County

Anonymous wrote:

Don’t bring race into this. This has nothing to do with race.

In MoCo, at least, we have people of all races overcrowded into illegal apartments. It’s not just Latino families. We have Jews and Asians alike in this situation. Based on the NYC video, I’d bet some of those residents were Jews. Maybe they were ‘white’ Jews? There is no reason to assume they were any particular race.

So this is NOT a race issue. It is a quality of life issue.

And this is different from 20-somethings living at home. A homeowner who has his two kids move back in is way different than a slum landlord who rents to four different families. You know that.

The four different families have several kids that will attend my kids’ already overcrowded school. The landlord who lives elsewhere doesn’t care about the neighborhood at all and just wants to make as much money as possible. Whereas an owner-occupied home still has some interest in the neighborhood.


The NYC video has zero relevance here. I don't know why the PP posted it.

And based on the large number of comments about race/ethnicity from people opposed to ADUs (and extended/multiple families sharing housing in general), including right here on DCUM, I'm going to say that yes, it actually has a whole lot to do with race/ethnicity.

You might think it doesn't, but your fellow ADU-opposers think it does.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 13:10     Subject: Granny flats and neighborhood change in Montgomery County

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s fine until you get too many illegal rentals. And then, not so great.

Montgomery County Housing Code enforcement is already so overworked and so understaffed that they can’t keep up with what is already on the books.

The three additional housing code inspectors is not nearly enough for a county this large.

And then you end up with situations like this one in DC:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Fatal-DC-Fire-Broke-Out-at-Illegal-Rental-Property-Officials-555318931.html%3famp=y




From the article.

It is a reality that families are making it work living here by crowding into single-family housing. Turns out that people are mostly living within the law when you go to inspect,” he says


IF they actually even go to inspect. We have three illegal rentals in our MoCo neighborhood that have been exceedingly difficult to get rid of.


You reported them and they were inspected. The comment shows that people think it's illegal, then they find it's not. It's just people that allow family to live with them until they save money.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 12:51     Subject: Granny flats and neighborhood change in Montgomery County

Anonymous wrote:If you are on well-and-septic, it may not be feasible.


I don't think it's feasible if you are on public water and septic. The cost of running water, sewer, electric, communication and possibly gas line negates it in my mind. That's alot of money up front.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 12:29     Subject: Granny flats and neighborhood change in Montgomery County

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It’s fine until you get too many illegal rentals. And then, not so great.

Montgomery County Housing Code enforcement is already so overworked and so understaffed that they can’t keep up with what is already on the books.

The three additional housing code inspectors is not nearly enough for a county this large.

And then you end up with situations like this one in DC:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Fatal-DC-Fire-Broke-Out-at-Illegal-Rental-Property-Officials-555318931.html%3famp=y




From the article.

It is a reality that families are making it work living here by crowding into single-family housing. Turns out that people are mostly living within the law when you go to inspect,” he says


IF they actually even go to inspect. We have three illegal rentals in our MoCo neighborhood that have been exceedingly difficult to get rid of.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 12:28     Subject: Re:Granny flats and neighborhood change in Montgomery County

Anonymous wrote:The article is flat. It talks about families living together and there are too many cars on a street.

Somebody who is a little off the rails thinks it will bring rats.

The fact is affordable housing is an issue.

20-somethings live at home to get a foothold/save money.

When they are hispanic, people act like it's a ghetto, if they are white - they are being judicious in their spending or the occassional rant... that white males fail to launch.

There will never be a change without some opposition. This seems to be small beans.


Don’t bring race into this. This has nothing to do with race.

In MoCo, at least, we have people of all races overcrowded into illegal apartments. It’s not just Latino families. We have Jews and Asians alike in this situation. Based on the NYC video, I’d bet some of those residents were Jews. Maybe they were ‘white’ Jews? There is no reason to assume they were any particular race.

So this is NOT a race issue. It is a quality of life issue.

And this is different from 20-somethings living at home. A homeowner who has his two kids move back in is way different than a slum landlord who rents to four different families. You know that.

The four different families have several kids that will attend my kids’ already overcrowded school. The landlord who lives elsewhere doesn’t care about the neighborhood at all and just wants to make as much money as possible. Whereas an owner-occupied home still has some interest in the neighborhood.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 11:46     Subject: Granny flats and neighborhood change in Montgomery County

Anonymous wrote:It’s fine until you get too many illegal rentals. And then, not so great.

Montgomery County Housing Code enforcement is already so overworked and so understaffed that they can’t keep up with what is already on the books.

The three additional housing code inspectors is not nearly enough for a county this large.

And then you end up with situations like this one in DC:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Fatal-DC-Fire-Broke-Out-at-Illegal-Rental-Property-Officials-555318931.html%3famp=y




From the article.

It is a reality that families are making it work living here by crowding into single-family housing. Turns out that people are mostly living within the law when you go to inspect,” he says
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 11:45     Subject: Re:Granny flats and neighborhood change in Montgomery County

The article is flat. It talks about families living together and there are too many cars on a street.

Somebody who is a little off the rails thinks it will bring rats.

The fact is affordable housing is an issue.

20-somethings live at home to get a foothold/save money.

When they are hispanic, people act like it's a ghetto, if they are white - they are being judicious in their spending or the occassional rant... that white males fail to launch.

There will never be a change without some opposition. This seems to be small beans.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 11:44     Subject: Granny flats and neighborhood change in Montgomery County

If you are on well-and-septic, it may not be feasible.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 11:40     Subject: Granny flats and neighborhood change in Montgomery County

Anonymous wrote:It’s fine until you get too many illegal rentals. And then, not so great.

Montgomery County Housing Code enforcement is already so overworked and so understaffed that they can’t keep up with what is already on the books.

The three additional housing code inspectors is not nearly enough for a county this large.

And then you end up with situations like this one in DC:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Fatal-DC-Fire-Broke-Out-at-Illegal-Rental-Property-Officials-555318931.html%3famp=y




Or the one in NYC.

https://pix11.com/2019/08/17/its-not-fiction-its-a-horror-story-les-residents-living-in-tiny-apartment-halfway-between-floors/

Fix the current lack of enforcement before you make the problems even worse.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 11:38     Subject: Granny flats and neighborhood change in Montgomery County

Anonymous wrote:Here's an article from the Christian Science Monitor about neighborhood change in Montgomery County. It focuses specifically on the recent regulation allowing detached accessory dwelling units (i.e., granny flats), but it also talks about neighborhood change more generally.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2019/0819/Granny-flats-More-affordable-housing.-More-parked-cars-too

Here's the part I particularly noticed, at the very end:

All Ms. Funes wants is a place where her friends don’t have to leave and her children can afford to stay. She’s optimistic about the county’s future.

“You see all the buildings and the new recreation center, the library, and it’s like, yeah! You feel more proud, you want to live here, stay here – your grandchildren to be here. I’m happy that more people want to come and live here. That’s good, right? If other people want to come to this community, then there’s something good here.”



It’s fine if they are actually built to code. And if there is actual enforcement.

But, there is currently very lax (if any) enforcement. Drive through any of the neighborhoods where landlords blatantly flaunt the law - in Silver Spring or Rockville or Wheaton.

It’s not safe and it’s detrimental to the neighborhood. Overcrowding an area that is already overcrowded benefits nobody, except the greedy landlords.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 11:35     Subject: Granny flats and neighborhood change in Montgomery County

It’s fine until you get too many illegal rentals. And then, not so great.

Montgomery County Housing Code enforcement is already so overworked and so understaffed that they can’t keep up with what is already on the books.

The three additional housing code inspectors is not nearly enough for a county this large.

And then you end up with situations like this one in DC:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Fatal-DC-Fire-Broke-Out-at-Illegal-Rental-Property-Officials-555318931.html%3famp=y


Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 11:33     Subject: Granny flats and neighborhood change in Montgomery County

Anonymous wrote:Granny flats, panic room, bunker, etc. all sound good but have to think of the neighbors. Got enough land? Out of sight, out of mind.


You didn't read the article, did you?
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 11:22     Subject: Granny flats and neighborhood change in Montgomery County

Granny flats, panic room, bunker, etc. all sound good but have to think of the neighbors. Got enough land? Out of sight, out of mind.
Anonymous
Post 08/20/2019 11:07     Subject: Granny flats and neighborhood change in Montgomery County

Here's an article from the Christian Science Monitor about neighborhood change in Montgomery County. It focuses specifically on the recent regulation allowing detached accessory dwelling units (i.e., granny flats), but it also talks about neighborhood change more generally.

https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2019/0819/Granny-flats-More-affordable-housing.-More-parked-cars-too

Here's the part I particularly noticed, at the very end:

All Ms. Funes wants is a place where her friends don’t have to leave and her children can afford to stay. She’s optimistic about the county’s future.

“You see all the buildings and the new recreation center, the library, and it’s like, yeah! You feel more proud, you want to live here, stay here – your grandchildren to be here. I’m happy that more people want to come and live here. That’s good, right? If other people want to come to this community, then there’s something good here.”