Anonymous
07/31/2019 06:41
Subject: Re:Parents giving up custody of their kids to get need based financial aid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The Illinois lawyer who did most of these fraudulent guardianship cases gave up guardianship of his own son to get his kid more financial aid. I hope he gets disbarred.
How? He didn’t break any laws!
Did his kid move out of the family home? Did he give up the dependent tax credit? Did he continue to pay for any bills for the child - health insurance, clothes, phone, sports fees, SAT registration fees, college app fees? Or did the guardian pay or did the student work for that stuff?
You can get disbarred for unethical behavior, not just illegal behavior. I totally agree he should lose his license to practice law and should be shunned wherever he goes.
Anonymous
07/31/2019 00:46
Subject: Parents giving up custody of their kids to get need based financial aid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There's already a thread on this. People have pointed out that if universities and colleges weren't so greedy, and top administrators so obnoxious, that families wouldn't go to such lengths. In European countries, nobody does this because tuition is very reasonable, if not free.
When people start doing crazy things, it's wise to look at the overall picture, instead of blaming the individuals.
No way. Plenty of parents and students cope with high tuition bills without committing fraud and robbing students who are actually poor of financial aid.
Yes, like that Duke coed who entered porn to finance her education at Duke?
Anonymous
07/31/2019 00:44
Subject: Re:Parents giving up custody of their kids to get need based financial aid
Anonymous wrote:The Illinois lawyer who did most of these fraudulent guardianship cases gave up guardianship of his own son to get his kid more financial aid. I hope he gets disbarred.
How? He didn’t break any laws!
Anonymous
07/30/2019 23:24
Subject: Re:Parents giving up custody of their kids to get need based financial aid
The Illinois lawyer who did most of these fraudulent guardianship cases gave up guardianship of his own son to get his kid more financial aid. I hope he gets disbarred.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 22:55
Subject: Parents giving up custody of their kids to get need based financial aid
Anonymous
07/30/2019 22:50
Subject: Parents giving up custody of their kids to get need based financial aid
Anonymous wrote:There's already a thread on this. People have pointed out that if universities and colleges weren't so greedy, and top administrators so obnoxious, that families wouldn't go to such lengths. In European countries, nobody does this because tuition is very reasonable, if not free.
When people start doing crazy things, it's wise to look at the overall picture, instead of blaming the individuals.
It’s always someone else’s fault, eh?
Anonymous
07/30/2019 22:05
Subject: Parents giving up custody of their kids to get need based financial aid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There's already a thread on this. People have pointed out that if universities and colleges weren't so greedy, and top administrators so obnoxious, that families wouldn't go to such lengths. In European countries, nobody does this because tuition is very reasonable, if not free.
When people start doing crazy things, it's wise to look at the overall picture, instead of blaming the individuals.
No way. Plenty of parents and students cope with high tuition bills without committing fraud and robbing students who are actually poor of financial aid.
Just as many people don't get killed by guns... but a lot do in this country, incredibly more than in literally any other developed country.
The US has the wackiest healthcare of all rich countries.
The highest college tuition of all rich countries.
Time to wake up and do things differently.
You are free to send your kid to a community college or somewhere they get aid if you don’t want to pay tuition. But what these rich doctors and real estate agents did is pure unadulterated fraud in an effort to avoid paying for their kids’ education. Shame on all involved.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 21:55
Subject: Parents giving up custody of their kids to get need based financial aid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There's already a thread on this. People have pointed out that if universities and colleges weren't so greedy, and top administrators so obnoxious, that families wouldn't go to such lengths. In European countries, nobody does this because tuition is very reasonable, if not free.
When people start doing crazy things, it's wise to look at the overall picture, instead of blaming the individuals.
No way. Plenty of parents and students cope with high tuition bills without committing fraud and robbing students who are actually poor of financial aid.
Just as many people don't get killed by guns... but a lot do in this country, incredibly more than in literally any other developed country.
The US has the wackiest healthcare of all rich countries.
The highest college tuition of all rich countries.
Time to wake up and do things differently.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 21:51
Subject: Parents giving up custody of their kids to get need based financial aid
Anonymous wrote:There's already a thread on this. People have pointed out that if universities and colleges weren't so greedy, and top administrators so obnoxious, that families wouldn't go to such lengths. In European countries, nobody does this because tuition is very reasonable, if not free.
When people start doing crazy things, it's wise to look at the overall picture, instead of blaming the individuals.
No way. Plenty of parents and students cope with high tuition bills without committing fraud and robbing students who are actually poor of financial aid.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 21:48
Subject: Parents giving up custody of their kids to get need based financial aid
There's already a thread on this. People have pointed out that if universities and colleges weren't so greedy, and top administrators so obnoxious, that families wouldn't go to such lengths. In European countries, nobody does this because tuition is very reasonable, if not free.
When people start doing crazy things, it's wise to look at the overall picture, instead of blaming the individuals.
When people start doing crazy things, it's wise to look at the overall picture, instead of blaming the individuals.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 21:48
Subject: Parents giving up custody of their kids to get need based financial aid
I have mixed feelings about this. My XH didn’t pay a cent for DD1’s college and won’t pay a cent for DD2 in a few years. But FAFSA says his income has to be taken into account in whether my kids get non-merit aid.
People divorce for medical reasons because the system is unfair. Let’s reform these systems rather than blaming people caught between a Rock and a Hard Place.
People divorce for medical reasons because the system is unfair. Let’s reform these systems rather than blaming people caught between a Rock and a Hard Place.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 21:47
Subject: Re:Parents giving up custody of their kids to get need based financial aid
A**holes. I hope their kids have to pay back every penny plus interest.
The parents involved in these cases include lawyers, a doctor and an assistant schools superintendent, as well as insurance and real estate agents.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 21:42
Subject: Re:Parents giving up custody of their kids to get need based financial aid
Unbelievable. That’s one way to weasel out of paying for your kid’s college education.
Anonymous
07/30/2019 21:38
Subject: Parents giving up custody of their kids to get need based financial aid
Wow
Anonymous
07/30/2019 21:35
Subject: Parents giving up custody of their kids to get need based financial aid
Shaking my head.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/07/parents-are-giving-up-custody-of-their-kids-to-get-need-based-college-financial-aid-1/
Parents Are Giving Up Custody of Their Kids to Get Need-Based College Financial Aid
First, parents turn over guardianship of their teenagers to a friend or relative. Then the student declares financial independence to qualify for tuition aid and scholarships.
Dozens of suburban Chicago families, perhaps many more, have been exploiting a legal loophole to win their children need-based college financial aid and scholarships they would not otherwise receive, court records and interviews show.
Coming months after the national “Varsity Blues” college admissions scandal, this tactic also appears to involve families attempting to gain an advantage in an increasingly competitive and expensive college admissions system.
Parents are giving up legal custody of their children during their junior or senior year in high school to someone else—a friend, aunt, cousin or grandparent. The guardianship status then allows the students to declare themselves financially independent of their families so they can qualify for federal, state and university aid, a ProPublica Illinois investigation found.
“It’s a scam,” said Andy Borst, director of undergraduate admissions at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. “Wealthy families are manipulating the financial aid process to be eligible for financial aid they would not be otherwise eligible for. They are taking away opportunities from families that really need it.”
While ProPublica Illinois uncovered this practice in north suburban Lake County, where almost four dozen such guardianships were filed in the past 18 months, similar petitions have been filed in at least five other counties and the practice may be happening throughout the country. ProPublica Illinois is still investigating.