Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?

No, because a percentage of people here illegally will self deport before being arrested.

Nobody self deports. What numbers to you have about self deportees.

Hey, they are getting free healthcare in California, why ever leave?

As Trump crackdown continues, more undocumented immigrants are choosing to 'self-deport'
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.northjersey.com/amp/547939002
Weeks after her husband was deported, Rojina Akter left her part-time job, packed some of her belongings at her apartment in Elizabeth, and along with her three children boarded a plane and left New Jersey to join him.

More and more undocumented immigrants are weighing whether to leave the United States voluntarily rather than face detention or deportation as the administration of President Donald Trump continues to take a hard line on illegal immigration.

It’s not known how many immigrants living in the country illegally have left the United States on their own in the last year, because they feared being deported or because they wanted to join a loved one — often the family's main provider — who had been sent home. However, those who study migration patterns and work with the undocumented immigrant population in New Jersey say they know of people who are planning to depart, or who have already left.

Muzaffer Chishti, the director of the Migration Policy Institute office at New York University School of Law, said he has seen a growing trend of Mexicans returning home, and that Trump’s immigration enforcement policies would likely prompt more people to leave for other countries as well.

“People are making plans to leave, people are making plans to sell their house, people are making plans — if eventually if we leave our children behind, who should get their guardianship, what should happen to their school, to their bank accounts?’’ he said. “This type of practical planning is clearly happening in communities all across the country, and certainly more among Mexicans."

Darren Maloney, director of legal services for Catholic Family and Community Services in Paterson, said he has a client whose father was debating whether to return to Peru after living in the United States for more than 20 years.



More Immigrants
Are Giving Up
Court Fights and
Leaving the U.S.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2019/05/08/more-detained-immigrants-are-giving-up-court-fights-and-leaving-the-u-s

The number of immigrants who have applied for voluntary departure has soared since the election of Donald Trump, according to new Justice Department data obtained by The Marshall Project. In fiscal year 2018, the number of applications doubled from the previous year—rising much faster than the 17 percent increase in overall immigration cases, according to data from the Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse at Syracuse University. The numbers show yet another way the Trump administration’s crackdown on immigration is having an impact: More people are considering leaving the U.S., rather than being stuck in detention or taking on a lengthy legal battle with little hope of success.

Last year, voluntary departure applications reached a seven-year high of 29,818 applications. In the Atlanta court, which hears cases of Irwin detainees like Zamarrón, the applications grew nearly seven times from 2016 to 2018.

Source: Executive Office of Immigration Review

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?

More importantly it places our ICE personnel in danger because they have lost the element of surprise. Why did the administration publicly announce the timing?

Red meat for the base.

Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?

More importantly it places our ICE personnel in danger because they have lost the element of surprise. Why did the administration publicly announce the timing?

I consider myself a moderate Democrat and it is ridiculous there is an uproar about deporting people who ALREADY went through the asylum process and were ordered to leave.

Thank you Democratic Party for shooting yourself in both feet. Trump 2020 looks like a sure thing.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?

No, because a percentage of people here illegally will self deport before being arrested.

Nobody self deports. What numbers to you have about self deportees.

Hey, they are getting free healthcare in California, why ever leave?

My health care costs are astronomical under Obamacare, and they barely cover anything. If I relocate to California, can I get free health care too?

(Oh wait....I forgot. I'm a tax-paying citizen. Never mind.)

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?

No, because a percentage of people here illegally will self deport before being arrested.

Nobody self deports. What numbers to you have about self deportees.

Hey, they are getting free healthcare in California, why ever leave?

Anonymous wrote: Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?

No, because a percentage of people here illegally will self deport before being arrested.

I’m the OP,

I’m an independent voter who used to be a more conservative Dem.

I just want to know instead of holding hearings on how bad things are, what is a plan a Dem or Republican has to fix it. That’s it..

Announcing there is a raid coming sort of defeats the point though, doesn’t it?

Anonymous wrote:OP - I doubt you will get any reasonable responses from liberals because there really is no reasonable solution that doesn't include detention and deportation.

A whole lot of virtue signaling going on with the liberals these days.

To that point, I'm PP at 8:11 just above you, and I am a conservative. Let's see the liberals come up with solutions.

OP - I doubt you will get any reasonable responses from liberals because there really is no reasonable solution that doesn't include detention and deportation.

A whole lot of virtue signaling going on with the liberals these days.

My solution would be that:

1) Anyone who is caught crossing into this country illegally cannot then claim asylum as a "backup." Out you go.

2) Anyone who is not carrying proof of asylum (persecution based on religion or politics) and is depending simply on a story, out you go.

3) We charge a $100 fee to process asylum claims, which would be returned if asylum is granted. (And don't tell me these people don't have $100. I see cell phones and expensive sneakers galore, and they came up with thousand of dollars to pay coyotes.)

4) We de-incentivize illegal immigration by a) charging a transaction fee of 50% to all money sent from the U.S. to Central American countries unless the person can prove citizenship, and b) stop promising more freebies to illegal aliens.

Anonymous wrote:Ok, help me understand......

Raids are to removed illegals who have removal orders issued by a judge. Either they failed to show up for their hearing or their asylum claim was denied.

Hence they are to be removed by ICE.

When I see on TV people protesting this and “don’t separate families” lines, what should be done? Not deport them even though they failed at getting asylum during an actual court date or not even showing up like they were supposed to? All the Dems claiming it is not “against the law to come here over the border and claim asylum”, what should be done? If we are not deporting people who don’t qualify for asylum or don’t show up and have a judge’s order for removal, that will encourage anyone just to come here and stay , asylum claim or not!!



What is you solution?

Totally agree! And, I have asked, on several threads.........if these people who have deportation orders cannot be deported, then who can?

This is total lunacy.

Your solution, sorry about typos.

Ok, help me understand......

Raids are to removed illegals who have removal orders issued by a judge. Either they failed to show up for their hearing or their asylum claim was denied.

Hence they are to be removed by ICE.

When I see on TV people protesting this and “don’t separate families” lines, what should be done? Not deport them even though they failed at getting asylum during an actual court date or not even showing up like they were supposed to? All the Dems claiming it is not “against the law to come here over the border and claim asylum”, what should be done? If we are not deporting people who don’t qualify for asylum or don’t show up and have a judge’s order for removal, that will encourage anyone just to come here and stay , asylum claim or not!!



What is you solution?