Anonymous
Post 06/29/2019 17:33     Subject: Re:GotSoccer Rankings
FPYCparent wrote:I just updated my spreadsheet of posted rankings for 2008 girls teams I consider to be in the DMV area. (DD is 2008, hence my interest in this age group.)

Here is a side-by-side comparison of YouthSoccereRankings to GotSoccer (sorted by numerical rank as reported by each site; these are not **my** rankings):


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1E87UHxv3e0SG0zFE7zYfGk0u-FlkIt9qSq8hL3sNMp8/edit?usp=sharing


I'm sure there are a few cases where GotSoccer gets way out of whack. Here are a few I noticed (using supporting data on the other tabs):

Braddock Road Elite Academy got nearly all of their 3300-ish points from a single tournament. Are they a top-20 DMV team? Possibly, … but one tournament shouldn't put them there.

SYC is restacking/renaming their 2008 teams, perhaps to keep GS points. (The top SYC 2008 team was LMVSC Red just a month ago.) The original SYC Blue is now Orange. Orange is now White.

Aside from McLean Green (which has been playing a year up at U12 this spring), the "top" NCSL team … per GotSoccer … is MSI Green (27th overall by GS). MSI Green plays in NCSL Division 2. This team is 67th overall by YSR.


Nice spreadsheet. Any reason you left DC Stoddert Blue off the list?
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2019 08:29     Subject: GotSoccer Rankings
gotsoccer is not irrelevant. If you are a tournament organizer, the system is more helpful than anything else out there.
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2019 08:22     Subject: GotSoccer Rankings
It basically just reflects a lot of the time spent in tournaments.
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2019 06:21     Subject: GotSoccer Rankings
Anonymous wrote:youthsoccerranings.us calculates based on a math equation using every recorded league game and tournament game.

Gotsoccer is only tournament results. it does show who wins more tournaments but other than that it does not accurately portray the overall level of a team.


I completely agree but unfortunately doesn’t some or most of the leagues and tournaments use GotSoccer for division placements?
Anonymous
Post 06/29/2019 01:50     Subject: GotSoccer Rankings
youthsoccerranings.us calculates based on a math equation using every recorded league game and tournament game.

Gotsoccer is only tournament results. it does show who wins more tournaments but other than that it does not accurately portray the overall level of a team.
Anonymous
Post 06/28/2019 17:40     Subject: GotSoccer Rankings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Gotsoccer is useful but I think youthsoccerranings.us is a good check. That ranking measures where you are based on the ranking of your competition and how you do against that competition. That is why on the girls side, you see more ECNL/DA teams in the national rankings.



Totally agree. I think Youthsoccer is the best system.

I have checked and over 50+ games, our team has a winning record (90%?) against lower ranked teams and a losing record (33%?) against those ranked above us.

It isn't perfect. But when used judiciously, it is a good tool.


+1. YouthSoccer is much more accurate than GotSoccer.
Anonymous
Post 06/28/2019 15:27     Subject: GotSoccer Rankings
Anonymous wrote:Gotsoccer is useful but I think youthsoccerranings.us is a good check. That ranking measures where you are based on the ranking of your competition and how you do against that competition. That is why on the girls side, you see more ECNL/DA teams in the national rankings.



Totally agree. I think Youthsoccer is the best system.

I have checked and over 50+ games, our team has a winning record (90%?) against lower ranked teams and a losing record (33%?) against those ranked above us.

It isn't perfect. But when used judiciously, it is a good tool.
Anonymous
Post 06/28/2019 15:24     Subject: Re:GotSoccer Rankings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Gotsoccer rankings aren’t perfect, but there’s not a single tournament bracket that awards a lot of points (500+) that’s “easily won.” To get points, you have to beat good teams.


Ok. PremierSC out of Maryland in the 05 group won the second flight at the OBGC. They beat Vienna, SAC (second team) and FC Frederick. Then they beat West Virginia FC. Total points: 1135. These points, by themselves, would get them into the top 25 in VA. Add league games and a top 10 ranking is almost a given. Now play a second and third tournament like this and you may have a top 5 team in the state that may have played teams that are average at best to get the ranking.

ECNL and DA games and standings don't count for points, yet CCL 10th place finish gets you points. GotSoccer is indicative of very little other than a commitment to enter leagues and tournaments to accumulate these points.


As some people are point out, you need to be careful looking at GotSoccer and understand how the ratings are calculated. A few years ago, my son played on a team that played in tournaments nearly every weekend (not even sure if they played in a league). This was because the coach was only interested in accumulating GotSoccer points. Compare this to a typical team that plays one tournament in the Fall and one in the Spring and you can see how some teams manipulate the system.
Anonymous
Post 06/28/2019 13:32     Subject: GotSoccer Rankings
Gotsoccer is useful but I think youthsoccerranings.us is a good check. That ranking measures where you are based on the ranking of your competition and how you do against that competition. That is why on the girls side, you see more ECNL/DA teams in the national rankings.
Anonymous
Post 06/28/2019 12:52     Subject: Re:GotSoccer Rankings
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Gotsoccer rankings aren’t perfect, but there’s not a single tournament bracket that awards a lot of points (500+) that’s “easily won.” To get points, you have to beat good teams.


Ok. PremierSC out of Maryland in the 05 group won the second flight at the OBGC. They beat Vienna, SAC (second team) and FC Frederick. Then they beat West Virginia FC. Total points: 1135. These points, by themselves, would get them into the top 25 in VA. Add league games and a top 10 ranking is almost a given. Now play a second and third tournament like this and you may have a top 5 team in the state that may have played teams that are average at best to get the ranking.

ECNL and DA games and standings don't count for points, yet CCL 10th place finish gets you points. GotSoccer is indicative of very little other than a commitment to enter leagues and tournaments to accumulate these points.


PremierSC was semifinalist at Jefferson Cup and a finalist at WAGs tournament. They also finished second in its group at FC Delco tournament. So it's not like they only play cupcake tournaments.
Anonymous
Post 06/28/2019 12:41     Subject: Re:GotSoccer Rankings
Not sure what the problem is here.

Those are all solid teams, that’s a good second division, and Premier SC would probably be in the top 25 VA teams.

Excluding DA is a major issue. ECNL teams are in the rankings, at least on the boys’ side.

Anonymous
Post 06/28/2019 12:27     Subject: Re:GotSoccer Rankings
Anonymous wrote:Gotsoccer rankings aren’t perfect, but there’s not a single tournament bracket that awards a lot of points (500+) that’s “easily won.” To get points, you have to beat good teams.


Ok. PremierSC out of Maryland in the 05 group won the second flight at the OBGC. They beat Vienna, SAC (second team) and FC Frederick. Then they beat West Virginia FC. Total points: 1135. These points, by themselves, would get them into the top 25 in VA. Add league games and a top 10 ranking is almost a given. Now play a second and third tournament like this and you may have a top 5 team in the state that may have played teams that are average at best to get the ranking.

ECNL and DA games and standings don't count for points, yet CCL 10th place finish gets you points. GotSoccer is indicative of very little other than a commitment to enter leagues and tournaments to accumulate these points.
Anonymous
Post 06/28/2019 12:14     Subject: Re:GotSoccer Rankings
Gotsoccer rankings aren’t perfect, but there’s not a single tournament bracket that awards a lot of points (500+) that’s “easily won.” To get points, you have to beat good teams.
Anonymous
Post 06/28/2019 11:33     Subject: GotSoccer Rankings
Anonymous wrote:Seeing so many people quote GotSoccer rankings on here - please stop. Those rankings are easily manipulated by coaches and clubs by entering teams in numerous tournaments in brackets that easily won to get points.


Rankings are far from perfect, but they provide a rough reference point. Until we have an interconnected national/regional league system with promotion/relegation, we have to rely on rankings to get a rough idea of the strength of the teams.
Anonymous
Post 06/28/2019 11:23     Subject: GotSoccer Rankings
Seeing so many people quote GotSoccer rankings on here - please stop. Those rankings are easily manipulated by coaches and clubs by entering teams in numerous tournaments in brackets that easily won to get points.