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Anonymous wrote:This is a big question. So, Jesus came to die for humanity. What did the humanity do that it warranted such a sacrifice?
Considering that humanity as such has not been around for much before Jesus times, if you consider that Paleolithic and Mesolithic ear was nothing to write home about from the ethical or moral perspective, then we have really very short period of time from the time of first farming and first cities to Jesus time.. those few tribes and few nations with relatively few people who did what humans always did before and after Christ..
fought each other and tried to overtake the next people's lands and goods. Nothing really changed, still the same 2000 years after Christ.
Why was it so important that Jesus had to die on the cross and what it really change? If anything? As far as the people and kingdoms are concerned everything is exactly the same if not worse.

Op He had to die, go to Hell snd rise again to defeat death. Death = sin. We all have sin and thus are going to die. Jesus offers a way back to God, whom we are separated from due to our sin.

NP. I don’t understand this at all. What does it mean, “death=sin”? Surely we all die because we are human? Is the idea that otherwise we would all live forever? How does Jesus’s death help? (Not trying to be snarky, just taking opportunity to ask questions I’ve always wanted to)

I believe the thinking is that humans would live forever had Adam and Eve not eaten of the tree in the Garden of Eden. That sin is what made us human functionally, and because of that we are no longer good enough for the pure goodness of god. Before Jesus came people had to make regular animal sacrifices to stay “right” with god. But then Jesus came along and lived a perfect life without sin and was the new sacrifice for us all.

I get the logic behind it, as the story has been refined for thousands of years. I do, however, reject the premise.

Thanks but I still don't get it. When people were making animal sacrifices they still died. After Jesus came and went, everyone still dies. What did Jesus achieve?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a big question. So, Jesus came to die for humanity. What did the humanity do that it warranted such a sacrifice?
Considering that humanity as such has not been around for much before Jesus times, if you consider that Paleolithic and Mesolithic ear was nothing to write home about from the ethical or moral perspective, then we have really very short period of time from the time of first farming and first cities to Jesus time.. those few tribes and few nations with relatively few people who did what humans always did before and after Christ..
fought each other and tried to overtake the next people's lands and goods. Nothing really changed, still the same 2000 years after Christ.
Why was it so important that Jesus had to die on the cross and what it really change? If anything? As far as the people and kingdoms are concerned everything is exactly the same if not worse.

Op He had to die, go to Hell snd rise again to defeat death. Death = sin. We all have sin and thus are going to die. Jesus offers a way back to God, whom we are separated from due to our sin.

NP. I don’t understand this at all. What does it mean, “death=sin”? Surely we all die because we are human? Is the idea that otherwise we would all live forever? How does Jesus’s death help? (Not trying to be snarky, just taking opportunity to ask questions I’ve always wanted to)

I believe the thinking is that humans would live forever had Adam and Eve not eaten of the tree in the Garden of Eden. That sin is what made us human functionally, and because of that we are no longer good enough for the pure goodness of god. Before Jesus came people had to make regular animal sacrifices to stay “right” with god. But then Jesus came along and lived a perfect life without sin and was the new sacrifice for us all.

I get the logic behind it, as the story has been refined for thousands of years. I do, however, reject the premise.

Thanks but I still don't get it. When people were making animal sacrifices they still died. After Jesus came and went, everyone still dies. What did Jesus achieve?

For Christians, Jesus's death achieves ETERNAL life for all who believe in him. You die a normal "human" death, but then live on in spirit form forever in heaven. That is the good news for Christians.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a big question. So, Jesus came to die for humanity. What did the humanity do that it warranted such a sacrifice?
Considering that humanity as such has not been around for much before Jesus times, if you consider that Paleolithic and Mesolithic ear was nothing to write home about from the ethical or moral perspective, then we have really very short period of time from the time of first farming and first cities to Jesus time.. those few tribes and few nations with relatively few people who did what humans always did before and after Christ..
fought each other and tried to overtake the next people's lands and goods. Nothing really changed, still the same 2000 years after Christ.
Why was it so important that Jesus had to die on the cross and what it really change? If anything? As far as the people and kingdoms are concerned everything is exactly the same if not worse.

Op He had to die, go to Hell snd rise again to defeat death. Death = sin. We all have sin and thus are going to die. Jesus offers a way back to God, whom we are separated from due to our sin.

NP. I don’t understand this at all. What does it mean, “death=sin”? Surely we all die because we are human? Is the idea that otherwise we would all live forever? How does Jesus’s death help? (Not trying to be snarky, just taking opportunity to ask questions I’ve always wanted to)

I believe the thinking is that humans would live forever had Adam and Eve not eaten of the tree in the Garden of Eden. That sin is what made us human functionally, and because of that we are no longer good enough for the pure goodness of god. Before Jesus came people had to make regular animal sacrifices to stay “right” with god. But then Jesus came along and lived a perfect life without sin and was the new sacrifice for us all.

I get the logic behind it, as the story has been refined for thousands of years. I do, however, reject the premise.

Thanks but I still don't get it. When people were making animal sacrifices they still died. After Jesus came and went, everyone still dies. What did Jesus achieve?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a big question. So, Jesus came to die for humanity. What did the humanity do that it warranted such a sacrifice?
Considering that humanity as such has not been around for much before Jesus times, if you consider that Paleolithic and Mesolithic ear was nothing to write home about from the ethical or moral perspective, then we have really very short period of time from the time of first farming and first cities to Jesus time.. those few tribes and few nations with relatively few people who did what humans always did before and after Christ..
fought each other and tried to overtake the next people's lands and goods. Nothing really changed, still the same 2000 years after Christ.
Why was it so important that Jesus had to die on the cross and what it really change? If anything? As far as the people and kingdoms are concerned everything is exactly the same if not worse.

Op He had to die, go to Hell snd rise again to defeat death. Death = sin. We all have sin and thus are going to die. Jesus offers a way back to God, whom we are separated from due to our sin.

NP. I don’t understand this at all. What does it mean, “death=sin”? Surely we all die because we are human? Is the idea that otherwise we would all live forever? How does Jesus’s death help? (Not trying to be snarky, just taking opportunity to ask questions I’ve always wanted to)

I believe the thinking is that humans would live forever had Adam and Eve not eaten of the tree in the Garden of Eden. That sin is what made us human functionally, and because of that we are no longer good enough for the pure goodness of god. Before Jesus came people had to make regular animal sacrifices to stay “right” with god. But then Jesus came along and lived a perfect life without sin and was the new sacrifice for us all.

I get the logic behind it, as the story has been refined for thousands of years. I do, however, reject the premise.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a big question. So, Jesus came to die for humanity. What did the humanity do that it warranted such a sacrifice?
Considering that humanity as such has not been around for much before Jesus times, if you consider that Paleolithic and Mesolithic ear was nothing to write home about from the ethical or moral perspective, then we have really very short period of time from the time of first farming and first cities to Jesus time.. those few tribes and few nations with relatively few people who did what humans always did before and after Christ..
fought each other and tried to overtake the next people's lands and goods. Nothing really changed, still the same 2000 years after Christ.
Why was it so important that Jesus had to die on the cross and what it really change? If anything? As far as the people and kingdoms are concerned everything is exactly the same if not worse.

Op He had to die, go to Hell snd rise again to defeat death. Death = sin. We all have sin and thus are going to die. Jesus offers a way back to God, whom we are separated from due to our sin.

NP. I don’t understand this at all. What does it mean, “death=sin”? Surely we all die because we are human? Is the idea that otherwise we would all live forever? How does Jesus’s death help? (Not trying to be snarky, just taking opportunity to ask questions I’ve always wanted to)

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Anonymous wrote:This is a big question. So, Jesus came to die for humanity. What did the humanity do that it warranted such a sacrifice?
Considering that humanity as such has not been around for much before Jesus times, if you consider that Paleolithic and Mesolithic ear was nothing to write home about from the ethical or moral perspective, then we have really very short period of time from the time of first farming and first cities to Jesus time.. those few tribes and few nations with relatively few people who did what humans always did before and after Christ..
fought each other and tried to overtake the next people's lands and goods. Nothing really changed, still the same 2000 years after Christ.
Why was it so important that Jesus had to die on the cross and what it really change? If anything? As far as the people and kingdoms are concerned everything is exactly the same if not worse.

Op He had to die, go to Hell snd rise again to defeat death. Death = sin. We all have sin and thus are going to die. Jesus offers a way back to God, whom we are separated from due to our sin.

Anonymous wrote:So I'm not the most orthodox of Christians, but sometimes I think maybe Jesus didnt HAVE to die that way. It wasn't inevitable. People with free will chose to take the actions that ultimately killed him. And things haven't apparently changed that much because we haven't truly followed his path, we still value worldly things and worldly power too much.

Anonymous wrote:This is a big question. So, Jesus came to die for humanity. What did the humanity do that it warranted such a sacrifice?
Considering that humanity as such has not been around for much before Jesus times, if you consider that Paleolithic and Mesolithic ear was nothing to write home about from the ethical or moral perspective, then we have really very short period of time from the time of first farming and first cities to Jesus time.. those few tribes and few nations with relatively few people who did what humans always did before and after Christ..
fought each other and tried to overtake the next people's lands and goods. Nothing really changed, still the same 2000 years after Christ.
Why was it so important that Jesus had to die on the cross and what it really change? If anything? As far as the people and kingdoms are concerned everything is exactly the same if not worse.

Anonymous wrote:This is a big question. So, Jesus came to die for humanity. What did the humanity do that it warranted such a sacrifice?
Considering that humanity as such has not been around for much before Jesus times, if you consider that Paleolithic and Mesolithic ear was nothing to write home about from the ethical or moral perspective, then we have really very short period of time from the time of first farming and first cities to Jesus time.. those few tribes and few nations with relatively few people who did what humans always did before and after Christ..
fought each other and tried to overtake the next people's lands and goods. Nothing really changed, still the same 2000 years after Christ.
Why was it so important that Jesus had to die on the cross and what it really change? If anything? As far as the people and kingdoms are concerned everything is exactly the same if not worse.