Op, accept the fact that eventually there will be NO smoking. Banned in cars with children, banned at office lounge areas, banned outside office buildings, banned in any restaurant, banned in all outside spaces and eventually banned in your own home because there will be no ventilation system acceptable under whatever law they put into place to filter that smoke in a healthy way. Anti smokers don't want smoking devices to exist at all, that is the end game. Unless of course it's their marijuana, no rules on that.

Anonymous wrote:Does everyone get to have things they hate banned or only smug self righteous progressives ?

Dude, relax .. .go outside and have a smoke.. oh wait you can't.

Anonymous wrote:No clear link between second hand smoke and lung cancer and stop ignoring the points in my post about arrests https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/105/24/1844/2517805

I think they plan on fining the establishment for not enforcing, not the smoker. Did the indoor smoking bans result in a lot of arrests of smokers?

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Anonymous wrote:Littering does not cause cancer, etc. Shall we allow people to litter?

there’s no littering fro ecigs yet those are banned outdoors

I didn't say that e-cig's create litter.

I said, we ban things that don' cause cancer... like littering and playing your radio at a restaurant or dogs in certain areas.

So what, people don't want to see or smell vaping.

Does everyone get to have things they hate banned or only smug self righteous progressives ?

Anonymous wrote:OP what's your goal? You just want to blow smoke at outdoor diners? What about their wishes and freedoms?

I agree about your point regarding vaping. I wish they all vaped because I don't have to smell that.

so can I get same sex pda banned outdoors or do you only get to ban the things you hate? You seem to be okay with banning things you hate

Anonymous wrote:Littering does not cause cancer, etc. Shall we allow people to litter?

there’s no littering fro ecigs yet those are banned outdoors

Littering does not cause cancer, etc. Shall we allow people to litter?

OP what's your goal? You just want to blow smoke at outdoor diners? What about their wishes and freedoms?

I agree about your point regarding vaping. I wish they all vaped because I don't have to smell that.

No clear link between second hand smoke and lung cancer and stop ignoring the points in my post about arrests https://academic.oup.com/jnci/article/105/24/1844/2517805

another response

https://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/the-science-of-smoking-bans/

here is a response to the Slate piece

https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/smokefree-laws-cut-heart-attacks-and-other-bad-things-look-all-evidence

Anonymous wrote:Oh btw on the lies About second hand smoke https://slate.com/technology/2017/02/secondhand-smoke-isnt-as-bad-as-we-thought.html

that article is almost entirely about heart attacks.

Not a word about asthma.

My sense is that indoor smoking bans were considered an accommodation to people who have asthma or other respiratory conditions, who essentially could not work in businesses that allowed smoking. The other claimed benefits were ancillary.

So the piece is dishonest. No suprise that the author used to work for Cato.

Oh btw on the lies About second hand smoke https://slate.com/technology/2017/02/secondhand-smoke-isnt-as-bad-as-we-thought.html

First I realize smokers are the only group you are allowed to hate so there a lot of hate out there but the risk of second hand smoke are greatly exaggerated indoors and non existent outdoors and laughable for vaping yet that’s banned too. But here are other consequences of thenew Moco ban.

First, even though the ban is civil in nature and enforced by the County DOH it will still refill in people getting arrested . How? If you don’t comply with bar staff you become a tresspasser and can also be arrested for disorderly conduct. So manager tells person to stop smoking and they refuse. The bar or patron calls the cops the smoker gets arrested.

Second, even if they comply and leave the premises they are now in public and are subject to public intoxication .

Third, POC and lgbt people smoke at higher rates and this will be arrested in higher numbers due to the first and second reasons I listed above. But I get it you hate smokers so you don’t care