They are America’s version of the sparrows in GOT. They aren’t working so why do they have to live in San Francisco?

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe there should be plans in place for a Marshall Plan for our own country. Develop huge swaths of the mid-West and South to attract more investment and development. Spread the wealth and population out more evenly throughout the country.

Wait, you want the government to go into all those red, "small government" communities and try to make them habitable? That's socialism!

And, also, smart people don't want to live where being smart is a liability or the native population doesn't want to fund public education, libraries, infrastructure, or parks/rec. From the south, visit often, not going back.

Every place has its problems.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/01/634626538/san-francisco-squalor-city-streets-strewn-with-trash-needles-and-human-feces

Yeah, well San Francisco didn't just ban abortions like Georgia, Alabama, and Missouri.

As a reformed Southerner too, my former home can piss off.

Agree that it isn’t just the South look at Ohio’s abortion ban and ectopic pregnancy bills. Also, there are any Northern and Western states where residents have allowed their bridges, hospitals, schools and libraries to crumble in an epic nose game of “I’m not paying for it. YOU pay for it!” We all pay for it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe there should be plans in place for a Marshall Plan for our own country. Develop huge swaths of the mid-West and South to attract more investment and development. Spread the wealth and population out more evenly throughout the country.

Wait, you want the government to go into all those red, "small government" communities and try to make them habitable? That's socialism!

And, also, smart people don't want to live where being smart is a liability or the native population doesn't want to fund public education, libraries, infrastructure, or parks/rec. From the south, visit often, not going back.

Every place has its problems.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/01/634626538/san-francisco-squalor-city-streets-strewn-with-trash-needles-and-human-feces

Yeah, well San Francisco didn't just ban abortions like Georgia, Alabama, and Missouri.

As a reformed Southerner too, my former home can piss off.

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Anonymous wrote:The US needs to simply spread out more. We have a HUGE country full of livable land, but we keep concentrating more and more people and jobs in the same locations.

I get it - who wants to move to *gasp* the mid-west, because there is nothing to do! It's a chicken/egg problem. People don't move to open areas of the country because there is nothing there so companies don't move there because talent is too hard to attract. But if companies don't move there, nothing gets developed that'd entice people to move.

Maybe there should be plans in place for a Marshall Plan for our own country. Develop huge swaths of the mid-West and South to attract more investment and development. Spread the wealth and population out more evenly throughout the country.

In the 21st century, people worldwide want to concentrate in cities because there are benefits to smart people all living in one place.

That's happening worldwide, not just in the US. You can't really reverse it. You can't turn Akron into Silicon Valley.

Moreover, Silicon Valley and the American tech economy is a major economic driver. You do NOT want to mess with SF, LA, Boston, NYC, Seattle, Chicago, Portland, DC, etc.. If you try to break them up just to fix the Senate-represents-empty-land problem, you may well destroy America's economic advantages.

This.

California has the a greater GDP than 90% of the world's nations for a freaking reason. Leave it alone. Leave New York alone. Leave D.C. alone.

The U.S. needs strong centers of commerce and economy to be the leading power it is today.

I would love to live in a less populated area, but of course jobs. So many disadvantages to city life. I hate the pollution. Hate going on a run and inhaling fumes. Depression rates are higher. Communities are not as tight, exposure to people so angry and stressed. But what do I do? I need to feed my family.

Honestly I hate it. Hate the city hate the congestion and gridlock. Hate the hassle. But I need the job and the short commute so here I am.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Maybe there should be plans in place for a Marshall Plan for our own country. Develop huge swaths of the mid-West and South to attract more investment and development. Spread the wealth and population out more evenly throughout the country.

Wait, you want the government to go into all those red, "small government" communities and try to make them habitable? That's socialism!

And, also, smart people don't want to live where being smart is a liability or the native population doesn't want to fund public education, libraries, infrastructure, or parks/rec. From the south, visit often, not going back.

Every place has its problems.

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/01/634626538/san-francisco-squalor-city-streets-strewn-with-trash-needles-and-human-feces

Anonymous wrote:Maybe there should be plans in place for a Marshall Plan for our own country. Develop huge swaths of the mid-West and South to attract more investment and development. Spread the wealth and population out more evenly throughout the country.

Wait, you want the government to go into all those red, "small government" communities and try to make them habitable? That's socialism!

And, also, smart people don't want to live where being smart is a liability or the native population doesn't want to fund public education, libraries, infrastructure, or parks/rec. From the south, visit often, not going back.

Anonymous wrote:The US needs to simply spread out more. We have a HUGE country full of livable land, but we keep concentrating more and more people and jobs in the same locations.

I get it - who wants to move to *gasp* the mid-west, because there is nothing to do! It's a chicken/egg problem. People don't move to open areas of the country because there is nothing there so companies don't move there because talent is too hard to attract. But if companies don't move there, nothing gets developed that'd entice people to move.

Maybe there should be plans in place for a Marshall Plan for our own country. Develop huge swaths of the mid-West and South to attract more investment and development. Spread the wealth and population out more evenly throughout the country.

In the 21st century, people worldwide want to concentrate in cities because there are benefits to smart people all living in one place.

That's happening worldwide, not just in the US. You can't really reverse it. You can't turn Akron into Silicon Valley.

Moreover, Silicon Valley and the American tech economy is a major economic driver. You do NOT want to mess with SF, LA, Boston, NYC, Seattle, Chicago, Portland, DC, etc.. If you try to break them up just to fix the Senate-represents-empty-land problem, you may well destroy America's economic advantages.

The US needs to simply spread out more. We have a HUGE country full of livable land, but we keep concentrating more and more people and jobs in the same locations.

I get it - who wants to move to *gasp* the mid-west, because there is nothing to do! It's a chicken/egg problem. People don't move to open areas of the country because there is nothing there so companies don't move there because talent is too hard to attract. But if companies don't move there, nothing gets developed that'd entice people to move.

Maybe there should be plans in place for a Marshall Plan for our own country. Develop huge swaths of the mid-West and South to attract more investment and development. Spread the wealth and population out more evenly throughout the country.

Anonymous wrote:Um, he’s making a simple point: when you block housing from being built, there is not enough housing. Not enough housing makes housing prohibitively expensive.

Whatever. Quit trying to block my view- I paid a premium!

Um, he’s making a simple point: when you block housing from being built, there is not enough housing. Not enough housing makes housing prohibitively expensive.

Anonymous wrote:What a bunch of ideological BS. Nice hatchet job. I can't take anything this article says seriously because it's so one sided. This is a serious issue that is nuanced and complicated. This author has a definite ax to grind. So show me the purely conservative/Republican proven solutions to this?

Income inequality and poor housing policy are NOT a "liberal" only issue.

The wealthy of both political parties are to blame.

Lol at this PP - yep- the NYT is just another conservative news outlet

What a bunch of ideological BS. Nice hatchet job. I can't take anything this article says seriously because it's so one sided. This is a serious issue that is nuanced and complicated. This author has a definite ax to grind. So show me the purely conservative/Republican proven solutions to this?

Income inequality and poor housing policy are NOT a "liberal" only issue.

The wealthy of both political parties are to blame.

We’re all fighting for scraps. I’d happily give up some of my wealth through a reduction in property values to bring in more affordable housing, but as a society we’ve made housing one of the main ways for the middle class to build wealth and save for retirement. So what will replace that?

It’s the same problem with meaningful corporate reform, by the way. In addition to our homes, most of us have wealth in our 401ks, which would suffer with meaningful corporate reform. Again, as a progressive I’m willing to give that up for the greater good and to live my values, but what replaces that financial security for the middle class?

We’re doing it all wrong but no one knows how to fix it, practically or politically. Life in the US is just a big game of Monopoly where we’re all encouraged to be greedy jerks to survive.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/22/opinion/california-housing-nimby.html

Title pretty much says it all. NIMBYism is costing us affordable housing & drives housing to environmentally unfriendly locations (exurbs).