Anonymous
04/28/2019 06:30
Subject: Re:Would you include 120's IQ tests with inconsistent subsection scores in appeal?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:We had 127 Nnat, 133 Cogat, on Gbrs, 2O, 2F. Got 127 on WISC, which is 96th percentile. Will appeal. Anyone has any inputs?
The GBRS is why your kid was rejected. I doubt that a 127 WISC will be enough to overcome the GBRS, but I wish you the best of luck.
Really seems like a 127 wisc should be given more weight than the teacher review here where all the test scores are similar. I mean come on. Half of AAP is kids with lower IQs than this if they tested everyone.
Anonymous
04/28/2019 00:35
Subject: Re:Would you include 120's IQ tests with inconsistent subsection scores in appeal?
Thank you PP! One of my friend’s kids had a 6 GBRS few years back and was in after they appealed without a WISC.
Anonymous
04/27/2019 22:20
Subject: Re:Would you include 120's IQ tests with inconsistent subsection scores in appeal?
Anonymous wrote:We had 127 Nnat, 133 Cogat, on Gbrs, 2O, 2F. Got 127 on WISC, which is 96th percentile. Will appeal. Anyone has any inputs?
The GBRS is why your kid was rejected. I doubt that a 127 WISC will be enough to overcome the GBRS, but I wish you the best of luck.
Anonymous
04/27/2019 22:14
Subject: Re:Would you include 120's IQ tests with inconsistent subsection scores in appeal?
Anonymous wrote:We had 127 Nnat, 133 Cogat, on Gbrs, 2O, 2F. Got 127 on WISC, which is 96th percentile. Will appeal. Anyone has any inputs?
We had 128 WISC and were rejected.
Anonymous
04/27/2019 21:55
Subject: Re:Would you include 120's IQ tests with inconsistent subsection scores in appeal?
We had 127 Nnat, 133 Cogat, on Gbrs, 2O, 2F. Got 127 on WISC, which is 96th percentile. Will appeal. Anyone has any inputs?
Anonymous
04/27/2019 12:10
Subject: Re:Would you include 120's IQ tests with inconsistent subsection scores in appeal?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is AAP really AAP if kids with scores in the 120s are getting in? Not to be rude but this is why the program is bloated.
You would have to take that up with the selection committee rather than with parents who are simply following the process to get their kids into a program. The AAP selection committee is allowing many kids with scores in the 120s in, so there's no reason for parents not to push their 120s kids in too. [/quote
+1
Anonymous
04/27/2019 10:45
Subject: Re:Would you include 120's IQ tests with inconsistent subsection scores in appeal?
Anonymous wrote:Is AAP really AAP if kids with scores in the 120s are getting in? Not to be rude but this is why the program is bloated.
You would have to take that up with the selection committee rather than with parents who are simply following the process to get their kids into a program. The AAP selection committee is allowing many kids with scores in the 120s in, so there's no reason for parents not to push their 120s kids in too.
Anonymous
04/27/2019 10:31
Subject: Re:Would you include 120's IQ tests with inconsistent subsection scores in appeal?
Anonymous wrote:Is AAP really AAP if kids with scores in the 120s are getting in? Not to be rude but this is why the program is bloated.
many kids that are prepped to get COgAT and NNaT of low 130s probably would get WISC in 120s or even high 110s.
Anonymous
04/27/2019 10:04
Subject: Re:Would you include 120's IQ tests with inconsistent subsection scores in appeal?
Is AAP really AAP if kids with scores in the 120s are getting in? Not to be rude but this is why the program is bloated.
Anonymous
04/27/2019 09:15
Subject: Re:Would you include 120's IQ tests with inconsistent subsection scores in appeal?
Anonymous wrote:Not prepped WISC of 136 and didn’t get in
Irrelevant. Kids without any scores above 120 did get in. OP's kid has a very strong GBRS, so it should be possible to get in with lower test scores.
Anonymous
04/27/2019 09:14
Subject: Re:Would you include 120's IQ tests with inconsistent subsection scores in appeal?
Anonymous wrote:Not prepped WISC of 136 and didn’t get in
Wow... really? Did you submit in the original packet? What were the other scores? Are you appealing with another test?
Anonymous
04/27/2019 09:12
Subject: Re:Would you include 120's IQ tests with inconsistent subsection scores in appeal?
Not prepped WISC of 136 and didn’t get in
Anonymous
04/27/2019 09:12
Subject: Re:Would you include 120's IQ tests with inconsistent subsection scores in appeal?
OP - want to add DC is currently on 3rd grade math, doing well (4's except for efforts which is 3).
Anonymous
04/27/2019 09:09
Subject: Would you include 120's IQ tests with inconsistent subsection scores in appeal?
I would submit the DAS-II but not the WISC. DAS-II is slightly stronger overall, and the 99th percentile verbal score might be compelling to the committee. For the WISC, they don't care that much about the VSI, and the average FRI score could be a problem.
For your letter, I would focus on the verbal abilities and how your child's needs in language arts cannot be met in general education. The 121 nonverbal reasoning score shows that your child should be able to handle the AAP math.
For your letter, I would focus on the verbal abilities and how your child's needs in language arts cannot be met in general education. The 121 nonverbal reasoning score shows that your child should be able to handle the AAP math.
Anonymous
04/27/2019 08:58
Subject: Would you include 120's IQ tests with inconsistent subsection scores in appeal?
DC:
NNAT 124
CogAT 120 (V126, Q115, NV114)
GBRS all C's (marked for advanced in math)
We took WISC prior to original submission but did not include:
WISC FSIQ 121 (92th)
-VCI 124 (95th)
-VSI 135 (99th)
-FRI 106 (66th)
-WMI 122 (93th)
-PSI 100 (50th)
Took DAS in hopes of appeal:
DAS-II 122 (93th)
-Verbal 133 (99th)
-Nonverbal reasoning 121 (92th)
-Spatial 101 (53th)
- Working memory and processing speed was average, but not incorporated in overall score (below 50th for both)
So overall, all scores are very consistent, but subscores between WISC and DAS are not. GMU psychologists said disparity say more than 5 points between related subsections between WISC and DAS are very unusual. She said higher score indicates his actual capability, but I am not sure if she just said that out of courtesy. All of DC's three main subsections have scores with disparity:
WISC VCI 124 - DAS verbal 133
WISC FRI 106 - DAS NV reasoning 121
WISC VSI 135 - DAS Spatial 101
All tests were taken unprepped. And I know there are many DC's rejected with higher scores/WISCs. Overall, results make me think DC might be ok in GenEd but at this point, but I feel that it wouldn't hurt to appeal. I know chances are not good for appeal. However, GBRS was really good and DC is doing well in school (rather bored, finishing things too early per teacher) so would like to try.
Question is: Do I include WISC or DAS-II and highlight his capability of scoring high, or exclude since it is not helpful for the packet? Or include only one of them? We will write a letter and also have plenty of work samples
NNAT 124
CogAT 120 (V126, Q115, NV114)
GBRS all C's (marked for advanced in math)
We took WISC prior to original submission but did not include:
WISC FSIQ 121 (92th)
-VCI 124 (95th)
-VSI 135 (99th)
-FRI 106 (66th)
-WMI 122 (93th)
-PSI 100 (50th)
Took DAS in hopes of appeal:
DAS-II 122 (93th)
-Verbal 133 (99th)
-Nonverbal reasoning 121 (92th)
-Spatial 101 (53th)
- Working memory and processing speed was average, but not incorporated in overall score (below 50th for both)
So overall, all scores are very consistent, but subscores between WISC and DAS are not. GMU psychologists said disparity say more than 5 points between related subsections between WISC and DAS are very unusual. She said higher score indicates his actual capability, but I am not sure if she just said that out of courtesy. All of DC's three main subsections have scores with disparity:
WISC VCI 124 - DAS verbal 133
WISC FRI 106 - DAS NV reasoning 121
WISC VSI 135 - DAS Spatial 101
All tests were taken unprepped. And I know there are many DC's rejected with higher scores/WISCs. Overall, results make me think DC might be ok in GenEd but at this point, but I feel that it wouldn't hurt to appeal. I know chances are not good for appeal. However, GBRS was really good and DC is doing well in school (rather bored, finishing things too early per teacher) so would like to try.
Question is: Do I include WISC or DAS-II and highlight his capability of scoring high, or exclude since it is not helpful for the packet? Or include only one of them? We will write a letter and also have plenty of work samples