Anonymous wrote:If your looking for competitive clubs neither of these is good.
This is nonsense. Look at individual teams to determine whether they might be good. My kid was at one of these clubs, and we've gone to another, but the quality of coaching and play were both solid and the first teams of each in my kid's age group just beat some good teams this past weekend. Younger age groups at both clubs are competing at a high level. You could do considerably worse and many do. Those parents who need a brand or comfort in collective opinion can happily go elsewhere and are usually not missed.