Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We found that most division 1 colleges were pretty firm on the walk-in cuts. Those were minimums and if you met those they considered that you would develop into the times the really wanted. The time cuts were what showed potential. The time cuts were not the minimum to be an asset to the team.

Thank you very much for the teams names and info! I looked it up but still confused about those min time cuts.

According to 2019 Division I Men's Swimming and Diving Qualifying Standards time standards at https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/DIMWSD_2019QualifyingStandards_20180606.pdf the time cut for Division 1 1650FR, for example, is 15.26.19 for B standard.
However, according to the real time championship results at https://www.collegeswimming.com/results/118537/event/22/, at the 2019 championships there were swimmers with low 17 min time on 1650FR (mine is already mid 17min). There are also B finalists at 2019 Big East Conference Championships, with 2.12 200BR time, but the published NCAA Division 1 B time cut for 200BR is 1.58.

If you are saying that the NCAA time cuts are pretty firm, why are so many swimmers competing for those Div 1 colleges with the times that are significantly slower? To know the minimum entry point, do I look at the slowest B finalists at the conference or at those published Division 1 Qualifying Standards, which are much faster? I doubt my kid would go 1.58 on 200BR prior applying for college, but he can definitely go under 2.10 at 17-18, as he's already under 2.20.

Our trainer won't be of a big help, and my son is actually near quitting point. I am trying to see if his times are "college promising", which may persuade him perhaps try another program.

Ignore those standards you found. I don't understand them but I believe they are for a "nationals." Most kids in most programs will never make it to nationals. Look at the confernce times.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We found that most division 1 colleges were pretty firm on the walk-in cuts. Those were minimums and if you met those they considered that you would develop into the times the really wanted. The time cuts were what showed potential. The time cuts were not the minimum to be an asset to the team.

Thank you very much for the teams names and info! I looked it up but still confused about those min time cuts.

According to 2019 Division I Men's Swimming and Diving Qualifying Standards time standards at https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/DIMWSD_2019QualifyingStandards_20180606.pdf the time cut for Division 1 1650FR, for example, is 15.26.19 for B standard.
However, according to the real time championship results at https://www.collegeswimming.com/results/118537/event/22/, at the 2019 championships there were swimmers with low 17 min time on 1650FR (mine is already mid 17min). There are also B finalists at 2019 Big East Conference Championships, with 2.12 200BR time, but the published NCAA Division 1 B time cut for 200BR is 1.58.

If you are saying that the NCAA time cuts are pretty firm, why are so many swimmers competing for those Div 1 colleges with the times that are significantly slower? To know the minimum entry point, do I look at the slowest B finalists at the conference or at those published Division 1 Qualifying Standards, which are much faster? I doubt my kid would go 1.58 on 200BR prior applying for college, but he can definitely go under 2.10 at 17-18, as he's already under 2.20.

Our trainer won't be of a big help, and my son is actually near quitting point. I am trying to see if his times are "college promising", which may persuade him perhaps try another program.

Anonymous wrote:Even though your swimmer is 2023, you can find them through a search on https://www.collegeswimming.com/recruiting/; he just won't be in the ranking until they do it for 2023, but I think if you register you will see his college recruiting score unless it is 100+.

Anonymous wrote:It may be like some of the Championship meets around here: if you meet the qualifying time for one event, you are allowed to swim the maximum number of events, and even kids who only qualify as a part of a relay get to swim individual events too.

So it may be that the college swimmers you see who are below the cut time for that event are swimming that event as an 'extra body' but made the cuts in other events.

Anonymous wrote:We found that most division 1 colleges were pretty firm on the walk-in cuts. Those were minimums and if you met those they considered that you would develop into the times the really wanted. The time cuts were what showed potential. The time cuts were not the minimum to be an asset to the team.

Anonymous wrote:I suggest a small investment in collegeswimmingguide.com. There you can easily find the conference results of every college swimming conference. If your kid can score in the conference championship, a coach in that conference will value them.