I posted about Logic of English. Yup, that is right. They believe this is the best approach overall, not just dyslexia.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Check out https://www.logicofenglish.com

It's OG based and lots of homeschoolers use it. Has teacher's manual etc.

" Is LOE like Orton-Gillingham?
Logic of English is an Orton-Gillingham program with a number of unique characteristics. One is that we expand the original list of 70 basic phonograms identified by Dr. Orton to include five additional ones: augh, bu, gu, es, and cei. Our spelling rules also include concepts not covered in most other OG programs.

Another key distinction is our strong belief that multi-sensory, systematic phonics instruction builds the best foundation for success in reading for all students, not just those who have been diagnosed with specific learning disabilities and those who have access to specialized reading remediation programs.

In addition, we seek to make this material available to all by creating curriculum that is easy to teach, engaging, and fun!

You can read more about how Logic of English relates to Dr. Orton's work in several related articles on our blog. To see and hear 74 of the basic phonograms taught in LOE, click here." from their FAQ.

Sorry, you lost me.

NP. I think the common belief is that multi-sensory, systematic phonics instruction is only for students with a diagnosed LD and only belongs in SPED. They're saying that their belief is all learning readers benefit from this kind of instruction. The cynic would say, yeah they're just trying to expand their market pool, but I happen to agree that this kind of instruction should be part of mainstream education and the majority of learning readers would benefit from it. Typical reading instruction that relies a lot on guessing instead of specific instruction in decoding is very frustrating for a lot of learning readers, not just those with a diagnosis and an IEP.

Anonymous wrote:Check out https://www.logicofenglish.com

It's OG based and lots of homeschoolers use it. Has teacher's manual etc.

" Is LOE like Orton-Gillingham?
Logic of English is an Orton-Gillingham program with a number of unique characteristics. One is that we expand the original list of 70 basic phonograms identified by Dr. Orton to include five additional ones: augh, bu, gu, es, and cei. Our spelling rules also include concepts not covered in most other OG programs.

Another key distinction is our strong belief that multi-sensory, systematic phonics instruction builds the best foundation for success in reading for all students, not just those who have been diagnosed with specific learning disabilities and those who have access to specialized reading remediation programs.

In addition, we seek to make this material available to all by creating curriculum that is easy to teach, engaging, and fun!

You can read more about how Logic of English relates to Dr. Orton's work in several related articles on our blog. To see and hear 74 of the basic phonograms taught in LOE, click here." from their FAQ.

Sorry, you lost me.

Check out https://www.logicofenglish.com

It's OG based and lots of homeschoolers use it. Has teacher's manual etc.

" Is LOE like Orton-Gillingham?
Logic of English is an Orton-Gillingham program with a number of unique characteristics. One is that we expand the original list of 70 basic phonograms identified by Dr. Orton to include five additional ones: augh, bu, gu, es, and cei. Our spelling rules also include concepts not covered in most other OG programs.

Another key distinction is our strong belief that multi-sensory, systematic phonics instruction builds the best foundation for success in reading for all students, not just those who have been diagnosed with specific learning disabilities and those who have access to specialized reading remediation programs.

In addition, we seek to make this material available to all by creating curriculum that is easy to teach, engaging, and fun!

You can read more about how Logic of English relates to Dr. Orton's work in several related articles on our blog. To see and hear 74 of the basic phonograms taught in LOE, click here." from their FAQ.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know some parents who have, but it takes quite a while to be trained/ complete practicum hours. I considered it, but my child and I don't have a great teacher/ student dynamic. She needed me more as her mom than tutor. And I needed to not be her teacher so I could focus on her gifts instead of challenges.

For home schooling families I think it makes a lot of sense, plus it opens up a job as a tutor for other kids later on.

My son was the same way - he really needed to have someone else teach him. It was still a very vulnerable and difficult process for him to open up and engage with the tutor. With me he just refused. He is now 12, OG tutoring is many years behind us, but we still find that when academic issues crop up (he has dyscalculia as well) an outside tutor or specialist is needed to get him on track. He needs me to just love him and cheer for him and feed him and pick him up when he falls down, which, given his challenges, he does quite a bit.

I am a tutor, who tutors my own kid when necessary. But, I will admit that the parent/child relationship interferes to a large degree with the student/teacher relationship. I still tutor my own kid, because when I have psychiatrist, psychologist, educational advocate and lawyer fees to pay, paying for tutoring on top of it seems ridiculous and un-wise, especially when I have seen that many tutors are not actually good teachers. This is not true for OG trained tutors, who know their specialized instructional area, but I see it often in tutoring for math or writing -- teachers who don't know how to teach to the special ed kid.

Anonymous wrote:I'm considering this, but is it ridiculous? Seems like it would be cheaper than hiring a qualified tutor!

I'm about to do this. I don't have formal OG training, but have done much of it for the past 10 years. Former teacher so I have background knowledge. It is much cheaper in the long run esp. if you have more than one child with dyslexia.

We had DC go to a WIlson certified (Le veal I and II) tutor 2-3 times a week for years, but we supplemented on the days at home. OUr tutor help train me and gave us homework. For us that is what worked.

I know several who have become trained in Barton and done it at home. Barton seems to be te one that is most easily accessible for parents.

I worked with my DS early on when he was very resistant to reading and was at a 1st grade reading level. I was able to work with him where he was at emotionally. Some days we did work, some days we did phonics based games, and some days it was a quick review and that was it. Once we got past that point to a place where DS saw that he COULD learn to read and where he became able to really work with a tutor, I found an awesome lady who brought so much more expertise to the table than I could hope to have as a parent doing it on the side. She's been immersed in language for decades and had a perfect interaction with my son. I could definitely help him but I also know that I definitely couldn't teach at the depth that she did.

Anonymous wrote:I know some parents who have, but it takes quite a while to be trained/ complete practicum hours. I considered it, but my child and I don't have a great teacher/ student dynamic. She needed me more as her mom than tutor. And I needed to not be her teacher so I could focus on her gifts instead of challenges.

For home schooling families I think it makes a lot of sense, plus it opens up a job as a tutor for other kids later on.

My son was the same way - he really needed to have someone else teach him. It was still a very vulnerable and difficult process for him to open up and engage with the tutor. With me he just refused. He is now 12, OG tutoring is many years behind us, but we still find that when academic issues crop up (he has dyscalculia as well) an outside tutor or specialist is needed to get him on track. He needs me to just love him and cheer for him and feed him and pick him up when he falls down, which, given his challenges, he does quite a bit.

If you have the time, it's a good idea. I do think it's important to know if your child is willing to be taught by Mom (or Dad). One of my kids is and one is not.

Check out the Barton method. It is Orton Gillingham based and written specifically for parents to implement with their children. You learn as your child advances in concepts. The materials (which include video training for you) are expensive but certainly less than tutoring 2-3 times a week for a year or two.

I know some parents who have, but it takes quite a while to be trained/ complete practicum hours. I considered it, but my child and I don't have a great teacher/ student dynamic. She needed me more as her mom than tutor. And I needed to not be her teacher so I could focus on her gifts instead of challenges.

For home schooling families I think it makes a lot of sense, plus it opens up a job as a tutor for other kids later on.

I'm considering this, but is it ridiculous? Seems like it would be cheaper than hiring a qualified tutor!