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Anonymous wrote:https://www.autoblog.com/2018/12/05/2018-jeep-wrangler-1-star-europe-ncap-crash-tests/

Don’t buy these primitive farm vehicles for your children because they look tough. Terrible front impact protection, terrible side impact protection, zero active safety features available (let alone standard).

But, but, but........macho......and cheaper than the Land Rover they want but can't afford. Am not defending rolling coffins. Am pointing out what motivates a large fraction of their buyers.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.autoblog.com/2018/12/05/2018-jeep-wrangler-1-star-europe-ncap-crash-tests/

Don’t buy these primitive farm vehicles for your children because they look tough. Terrible front impact protection, terrible side impact protection, zero active safety features available (let alone standard).

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Anonymous wrote:That test looks more at features than actual safety and is not an accurate view. The 19's have more of the safety features but many cars don't have those except as an upgrade and most then need special ordered. We are probably buying a 19 but most of the SUV's I looked at already built didn't have those options so in that case most cars and SUV's fail that test.

Sounds like you didn’t read the article and are a bit of a dope...

On top of the lack of active driver safety systems, its performance in NCAP's impact testing left a bit to be desired, as well. We did the math to see the raw Euro NCAP scores for a crash without it being dragged down by the driver assistance systems, and adult occupant safety came out to 56.7 percent. Child occupant safety was a tad better at 69 percent. These still aren't great numbers, so it's clear that the lack of driver assistance features isn't the only thing pulling the score down. We aren't particularly surprised by the Wrangler's numbers, but it's information potential buyers should know about the truck. For those wanting an even deeper dive, check out Euro NCAP's full testing results here.

Toyota, Honda, GM, and Mercedes have auto emergency braking standard on nearly all of their models. Even more manufacturers have pledged to make it standard by 2021, so the fact that Fiat Chrysler didn’t even include it on a brand new generation shows they know they can sell it to suckers like you who will pay $30k for an antiquated crap vehicle because it makes them seem more outdoorsy.

GM and other cars still have you pay extra as an upgrade. Very few have all the safety features as standard. Pledging to do it by 2021, has nothing to do with a 2018 review.

$30K is base model.

Even if we completely take the active safety features out of the discussion, Wrangler gets a 50% in occupant protection category which is *terrible* for a new car from a big manufacturer. Safer models like the GLE or XC60 get 92%+.

If you don't care about how safe your or your kid's car is that's entirely your choice, but let's not attack the test results because you don't like them.

ITT: People like the poster above try to compare four wheel drive off road vehicles with luxury station wagons.

This is why people don’t take you seriously. Next you’ll be telling me how trucks are shit because they get worse gas mileage than a Tesla.

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Anonymous wrote:That test looks more at features than actual safety and is not an accurate view. The 19's have more of the safety features but many cars don't have those except as an upgrade and most then need special ordered. We are probably buying a 19 but most of the SUV's I looked at already built didn't have those options so in that case most cars and SUV's fail that test.

Sounds like you didn’t read the article and are a bit of a dope...

On top of the lack of active driver safety systems, its performance in NCAP's impact testing left a bit to be desired, as well. We did the math to see the raw Euro NCAP scores for a crash without it being dragged down by the driver assistance systems, and adult occupant safety came out to 56.7 percent. Child occupant safety was a tad better at 69 percent. These still aren't great numbers, so it's clear that the lack of driver assistance features isn't the only thing pulling the score down. We aren't particularly surprised by the Wrangler's numbers, but it's information potential buyers should know about the truck. For those wanting an even deeper dive, check out Euro NCAP's full testing results here.

Toyota, Honda, GM, and Mercedes have auto emergency braking standard on nearly all of their models. Even more manufacturers have pledged to make it standard by 2021, so the fact that Fiat Chrysler didn’t even include it on a brand new generation shows they know they can sell it to suckers like you who will pay $30k for an antiquated crap vehicle because it makes them seem more outdoorsy.

GM and other cars still have you pay extra as an upgrade. Very few have all the safety features as standard. Pledging to do it by 2021, has nothing to do with a 2018 review.

$30K is base model.

Even if we completely take the active safety features out of the discussion, Wrangler gets a 50% in occupant protection category which is *terrible* for a new car from a big manufacturer. Safer models like the GLE or XC60 get 92%+.

If you don't care about how safe your or your kid's car is that's entirely your choice, but let's not attack the test results because you don't like them.

Anonymous wrote:If you aren't driving one, why do you care?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That test looks more at features than actual safety and is not an accurate view. The 19's have more of the safety features but many cars don't have those except as an upgrade and most then need special ordered. We are probably buying a 19 but most of the SUV's I looked at already built didn't have those options so in that case most cars and SUV's fail that test.

Sounds like you didn’t read the article and are a bit of a dope...

On top of the lack of active driver safety systems, its performance in NCAP's impact testing left a bit to be desired, as well. We did the math to see the raw Euro NCAP scores for a crash without it being dragged down by the driver assistance systems, and adult occupant safety came out to 56.7 percent. Child occupant safety was a tad better at 69 percent. These still aren't great numbers, so it's clear that the lack of driver assistance features isn't the only thing pulling the score down. We aren't particularly surprised by the Wrangler's numbers, but it's information potential buyers should know about the truck. For those wanting an even deeper dive, check out Euro NCAP's full testing results here.

Toyota, Honda, GM, and Mercedes have auto emergency braking standard on nearly all of their models. Even more manufacturers have pledged to make it standard by 2021, so the fact that Fiat Chrysler didn’t even include it on a brand new generation shows they know they can sell it to suckers like you who will pay $30k for an antiquated crap vehicle because it makes them seem more outdoorsy.

GM and other cars still have you pay extra as an upgrade. Very few have all the safety features as standard. Pledging to do it by 2021, has nothing to do with a 2018 review.

$30K is base model.

Even if we completely take the active safety features out of the discussion, Wrangler gets a 50% in occupant protection category which is *terrible* for a new car from a big manufacturer. Safer models like the GLE or XC60 get 92%+.

If you don't care about how safe your or your kid's car is that's entirely your choice, but let's not attack the test results because you don't like them.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That test looks more at features than actual safety and is not an accurate view. The 19's have more of the safety features but many cars don't have those except as an upgrade and most then need special ordered. We are probably buying a 19 but most of the SUV's I looked at already built didn't have those options so in that case most cars and SUV's fail that test.

Sounds like you didn’t read the article and are a bit of a dope...

On top of the lack of active driver safety systems, its performance in NCAP's impact testing left a bit to be desired, as well. We did the math to see the raw Euro NCAP scores for a crash without it being dragged down by the driver assistance systems, and adult occupant safety came out to 56.7 percent. Child occupant safety was a tad better at 69 percent. These still aren't great numbers, so it's clear that the lack of driver assistance features isn't the only thing pulling the score down. We aren't particularly surprised by the Wrangler's numbers, but it's information potential buyers should know about the truck. For those wanting an even deeper dive, check out Euro NCAP's full testing results here.

Toyota, Honda, GM, and Mercedes have auto emergency braking standard on nearly all of their models. Even more manufacturers have pledged to make it standard by 2021, so the fact that Fiat Chrysler didn’t even include it on a brand new generation shows they know they can sell it to suckers like you who will pay $30k for an antiquated crap vehicle because it makes them seem more outdoorsy.

GM and other cars still have you pay extra as an upgrade. Very few have all the safety features as standard. Pledging to do it by 2021, has nothing to do with a 2018 review.

$30K is base model.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That test looks more at features than actual safety and is not an accurate view. The 19's have more of the safety features but many cars don't have those except as an upgrade and most then need special ordered. We are probably buying a 19 but most of the SUV's I looked at already built didn't have those options so in that case most cars and SUV's fail that test.

Sounds like you didn’t read the article and are a bit of a dope...

On top of the lack of active driver safety systems, its performance in NCAP's impact testing left a bit to be desired, as well. We did the math to see the raw Euro NCAP scores for a crash without it being dragged down by the driver assistance systems, and adult occupant safety came out to 56.7 percent. Child occupant safety was a tad better at 69 percent. These still aren't great numbers, so it's clear that the lack of driver assistance features isn't the only thing pulling the score down. We aren't particularly surprised by the Wrangler's numbers, but it's information potential buyers should know about the truck. For those wanting an even deeper dive, check out Euro NCAP's full testing results here.

Toyota, Honda, GM, and Mercedes have auto emergency braking standard on nearly all of their models. Even more manufacturers have pledged to make it standard by 2021, so the fact that Fiat Chrysler didn’t even include it on a brand new generation shows they know they can sell it to suckers like you who will pay $30k for an antiquated crap vehicle because it makes them seem more outdoorsy.

Anonymous wrote:That test looks more at features than actual safety and is not an accurate view. The 19's have more of the safety features but many cars don't have those except as an upgrade and most then need special ordered. We are probably buying a 19 but most of the SUV's I looked at already built didn't have those options so in that case most cars and SUV's fail that test.

On top of the lack of active driver safety systems, its performance in NCAP's impact testing left a bit to be desired, as well. We did the math to see the raw Euro NCAP scores for a crash without it being dragged down by the driver assistance systems, and adult occupant safety came out to 56.7 percent. Child occupant safety was a tad better at 69 percent. These still aren't great numbers, so it's clear that the lack of driver assistance features isn't the only thing pulling the score down. We aren't particularly surprised by the Wrangler's numbers, but it's information potential buyers should know about the truck. For those wanting an even deeper dive, check out Euro NCAP's full testing results here.

Anonymous wrote:College acquaintance died in one during freshmen year