Anonymous
11/29/2018 14:15
Subject: Common sense immigration reform
Agree with the above. Most Democrats I know don't want open borders and are open to reforms for the immigration system. But the distinct impression is that Republicans aren't acting in good faith on this issue. Despite the insistence that they are making a distinction between ILLEGAL versus LEGAL immigrants, one gets the distinct impression that they aren't too keen on legal immigrants either.
In fact, if one looks to poor, non-white American citizens, Republicans don't seem that keen on helping them out either. So, right or wrong, this leads to the inference that immigration control isn't the real issue but, rather, racism is. (Cue Trump foaming about shithole countries and wanting people from Scandinavian countries.)
So, yeah, lets reform the immigration system. But don't take Republicans at their word when they say that's what they want to do.
In fact, if one looks to poor, non-white American citizens, Republicans don't seem that keen on helping them out either. So, right or wrong, this leads to the inference that immigration control isn't the real issue but, rather, racism is. (Cue Trump foaming about shithole countries and wanting people from Scandinavian countries.)
So, yeah, lets reform the immigration system. But don't take Republicans at their word when they say that's what they want to do.
Anonymous
11/29/2018 13:57
Subject: Common sense immigration reform
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:There was a bipartisan immigration deal that passed the Senate (got more than 60 votes) in 2013 under Obama. Paul Ryan refused to bring it to a vote. Because tea party nutters.
https://www.politifact.com/subjects/immigration/
Then Trump hit the scene. Immigration became the wedge issue and working with Democrats and compromising to actually fix immigration stopped being in Republicans’ best interests. Better to use brown people as the boogeyman. And Dems aren’t that incentives anymore either.
So why isn’t there an agreement? Trump. And Paul Ryan.
There was a border wall money for DACA deal on the table this year. Trump walked away.
In general, there is a plan with bipartisan consensus there. It just isn’t in some Republicans best interests to let it go through.
John Boehner was Speaker of the House that year, not Paul Ryan
True, but it was the R controlled House that killed it.
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jan/26/ronald-brownstein/did-senators-pass-immigration-reform-bills-2006-20/
Brownstein said, "They found 60 votes in the Senate in 2006 and 2013" for immigration legislation, and "each time the House Republican majority refused to take it up."
Senators did pass immigration bills in 2006 and 2013 with 62 and 68 votes, respectively. Both times, House Republicans did not address the proposals on the House floor.
Anonymous
11/29/2018 13:49
Subject: Common sense immigration reform
As long as the right continues to characterize anything other than cages, walls, bans and tear gas as "supporting open borders," then there's really no basis to even attempt a rational discussion.
Anonymous
11/29/2018 13:46
Subject: Common sense immigration reform
Anonymous wrote:There was a bipartisan immigration deal that passed the Senate (got more than 60 votes) in 2013 under Obama. Paul Ryan refused to bring it to a vote. Because tea party nutters.
https://www.politifact.com/subjects/immigration/
Then Trump hit the scene. Immigration became the wedge issue and working with Democrats and compromising to actually fix immigration stopped being in Republicans’ best interests. Better to use brown people as the boogeyman. And Dems aren’t that incentives anymore either.
So why isn’t there an agreement? Trump. And Paul Ryan.
There was a border wall money for DACA deal on the table this year. Trump walked away.
In general, there is a plan with bipartisan consensus there. It just isn’t in some Republicans best interests to let it go through.
John Boehner was Speaker of the House that year, not Paul Ryan
Anonymous
11/29/2018 13:45
Subject: Common sense immigration reform
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Plus in 2006 ppl were anti b so No Go
Is this English?
lol
Anonymous
11/29/2018 13:43
Subject: Common sense immigration reform
Anonymous wrote:Plus in 2006 ppl were anti b so No Go
Is this English?
Anonymous
11/29/2018 13:40
Subject: Common sense immigration reform
Plus in 2006 ppl were anti b so No Go
Anonymous
11/29/2018 13:40
Subject: Common sense immigration reform
It always gets tons of earmarks and horse tradin
2006 (temp visa plan) 2010 (birthright Citizenship only for legal permanent residents) were also good attempts at key terms revision. Too much other garbage in to pass it.
2006 (temp visa plan) 2010 (birthright Citizenship only for legal permanent residents) were also good attempts at key terms revision. Too much other garbage in to pass it.
Anonymous
11/29/2018 13:26
Subject: Re:Common sense immigration reform
OP, what makes you think most liberals aren't for common sense immigration laws or just want to throw open the borders? Sure, some nutters want no borders, but most Dems don't want that, just as some R nutters want to close all of the borders and only allow in white people.
Rs like to play hardball with immigration. They usually like to tie common sense immigration reform with something else that Dems don't like. Basically, they like to hold immigration reform hostage.
As a PP noted, Tea Party members, a la Ryan, don't want to compromise at all. It's their way or no way.
Moderate Rs in the past have compromised on immigration issues, like amnesty, which Reagan and both Bushes signed.
It's today hardline Rs like Tea Party and now Trump that don't want any common sense immigration reform.
-signed an Asian immigrant and former R married to a white European immigrant and a registered Dem
Rs like to play hardball with immigration. They usually like to tie common sense immigration reform with something else that Dems don't like. Basically, they like to hold immigration reform hostage.
As a PP noted, Tea Party members, a la Ryan, don't want to compromise at all. It's their way or no way.
Moderate Rs in the past have compromised on immigration issues, like amnesty, which Reagan and both Bushes signed.
It's today hardline Rs like Tea Party and now Trump that don't want any common sense immigration reform.
-signed an Asian immigrant and former R married to a white European immigrant and a registered Dem
Anonymous
11/29/2018 13:25
Subject: Common sense immigration reform
Anonymous wrote:I'm a liberal democrat and I can't quite wrap my head around why it is so difficult to find the political will to fix our broken immigration system. Of course, I don't agree with tear gas being used at the borders or children taken from their parents and other reprehensible behavior. The current immigration has lost any sense of basic humanity. However, I see nothing wrong with stringent measures to control illegal immigration. The wall just seems like an impractical and ineffective method but I don't mind additional border patrol. My parents were immigrants from a South Asian country and I have extended family members who literally waited 15 years plus for legal green cards to come here. Do Democrats not see that even the appearance of supporting illegal immigrants is a message that does not resonate with most people? I also wonder why there can't be a special migrant visa created for unskilled workers whose work is desperately needed in certain agricultural industries. Would love any book recommendations on our current immigration system because I'm baffled as to what is causing the impasse.
The impasse will continue as long as it benefits the GOP in elections. Illegal immigration, welfare, massive voter fraud, government rationing of healthcare, government out to confiscate guns against the Second Amendment, criminals coming into our country and killing the citizens are all hot button talking points that many voters in red states respond to. But the GOP will never punish the employers who profit from employing illegal immigrants.
Anonymous
11/29/2018 13:22
Subject: Common sense immigration reform
Anonymous wrote:Don’t feed this distraction thread. Focus today is on trump’s corruption and lies.
The question has been asked and answered anyway. It is googleable with 3 minutes of effort.
Anonymous
11/29/2018 13:21
Subject: Common sense immigration reform
Don’t feed this distraction thread. Focus today is on trump’s corruption and lies.
Anonymous
11/29/2018 13:20
Subject: Common sense immigration reform
Anonymous wrote:There was a bipartisan immigration deal that passed the Senate (got more than 60 votes) in 2013 under Obama. Paul Ryan refused to bring it to a vote. Because tea party nutters.
https://www.politifact.com/subjects/immigration/
Then Trump hit the scene. Immigration became the wedge issue and working with Democrats and compromising to actually fix immigration stopped being in Republicans’ best interests. Better to use brown people as the boogeyman. And Dems aren’t that incentives anymore either.
So why isn’t there an agreement? Trump. And Paul Ryan.
There was a border wall money for DACA deal on the table this year. Trump walked away.
In general, there is a plan with bipartisan consensus there. It just isn’t in some Republicans best interests to let it go through.
Bad link. Try this
https://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2018/jan/26/ronald-brownstein/did-senators-pass-immigration-reform-bills-2006-20/
Anonymous
11/29/2018 13:19
Subject: Common sense immigration reform
There was a bipartisan immigration deal that passed the Senate (got more than 60 votes) in 2013 under Obama. Paul Ryan refused to bring it to a vote. Because tea party nutters.
https://www.politifact.com/subjects/immigration/
Then Trump hit the scene. Immigration became the wedge issue and working with Democrats and compromising to actually fix immigration stopped being in Republicans’ best interests. Better to use brown people as the boogeyman. And Dems aren’t that incentives anymore either.
So why isn’t there an agreement? Trump. And Paul Ryan.
There was a border wall money for DACA deal on the table this year. Trump walked away.
In general, there is a plan with bipartisan consensus there. It just isn’t in some Republicans best interests to let it go through.
https://www.politifact.com/subjects/immigration/
Then Trump hit the scene. Immigration became the wedge issue and working with Democrats and compromising to actually fix immigration stopped being in Republicans’ best interests. Better to use brown people as the boogeyman. And Dems aren’t that incentives anymore either.
So why isn’t there an agreement? Trump. And Paul Ryan.
There was a border wall money for DACA deal on the table this year. Trump walked away.
In general, there is a plan with bipartisan consensus there. It just isn’t in some Republicans best interests to let it go through.
Anonymous
11/29/2018 13:13
Subject: Common sense immigration reform
I'm a liberal democrat and I can't quite wrap my head around why it is so difficult to find the political will to fix our broken immigration system. Of course, I don't agree with tear gas being used at the borders or children taken from their parents and other reprehensible behavior. The current immigration has lost any sense of basic humanity. However, I see nothing wrong with stringent measures to control illegal immigration. The wall just seems like an impractical and ineffective method but I don't mind additional border patrol. My parents were immigrants from a South Asian country and I have extended family members who literally waited 15 years plus for legal green cards to come here. Do Democrats not see that even the appearance of supporting illegal immigrants is a message that does not resonate with most people? I also wonder why there can't be a special migrant visa created for unskilled workers whose work is desperately needed in certain agricultural industries. Would love any book recommendations on our current immigration system because I'm baffled as to what is causing the impasse.