Anonymous
11/29/2018 13:02
Subject: DA rosters: internal promotion or new blood?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What does it say about the coaches ability to develop and improve players? The way to improve is recruit new players? How about investing in the ones you have to make them better? Just because a new player did well in another program, under a different coach, different teammates, training style, etc does not mean they will excel on a new team. It could be a step backwards for the new player and the team and then you’ve just thrown away a year or more invested development. Unless you’ve found an obvious superstar, stick with and develop your investments. The quick fix mentality is not helping anyone
The whole point of DAs is that they bring in the best players from a wide geographic radius and and wide variety of programs.
+1000
Anonymous
11/29/2018 12:45
Subject: DA rosters: internal promotion or new blood?
Anonymous wrote:What does it say about the coaches ability to develop and improve players? The way to improve is recruit new players? How about investing in the ones you have to make them better? Just because a new player did well in another program, under a different coach, different teammates, training style, etc does not mean they will excel on a new team. It could be a step backwards for the new player and the team and then you’ve just thrown away a year or more invested development. Unless you’ve found an obvious superstar, stick with and develop your investments. The quick fix mentality is not helping anyone
The whole point of DAs is that they bring in the best players from a wide geographic radius and and wide variety of programs.
Anonymous
11/29/2018 12:35
Subject: DA rosters: internal promotion or new blood?
What does it say about the coaches ability to develop and improve players? The way to improve is recruit new players? How about investing in the ones you have to make them better? Just because a new player did well in another program, under a different coach, different teammates, training style, etc does not mean they will excel on a new team. It could be a step backwards for the new player and the team and then you’ve just thrown away a year or more invested development. Unless you’ve found an obvious superstar, stick with and develop your investments. The quick fix mentality is not helping anyone
Anonymous
11/29/2018 12:26
Subject: DA rosters: internal promotion or new blood?
The new players that are coming in ARE demonstrably better...you just aren't willing to admit that, and/or are too close to see it.
Anonymous
11/29/2018 11:40
Subject: DA rosters: internal promotion or new blood?
SpiritVAParent wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:An assertion was made at our club that "they extend DA offers to new players rather than promote from their own team 2 as they want to bring more players into the club (and thus more money)."
In the case of our club team, that certainly seemed to be the case, with 4 new players joining and no one from the team 2 getting promoted, but I was just curious how are internal promotions handled at your DA? Is there a pathway with your club to the higher levels?
No matter the club, cough FCV cough, this does not work out. The "slighted" player always leaves the club. There is nothing wrong with bringing in outside players but they need to be demonstratively better than the ones they are bumping down or out. Players and parents can accept it if the player is clearly better but if they are pretty much just the same that is when folks, rightfully, get pissed off.
Once the kids are in core DA ages — 14/15/16/17 — parents on the sidelines need to realize that they’re not necessarily going to be able to gauge what makes one player better than another player in a coach’s estimation. It’s not necessarily how the player performs in games. Attitude, coachability, tactical vision, game intelligence, and potential for future growth are all things that a coach might consider in choosing a roster, and many of those are things that parents don’t see when watching a game but that coaches (good coaches, at least) actively seek.
And yes, DA is supposed to be selective although cutthroat might be a bit strong! To paraphrase investment world, past selection to a roster should be no guarantee of future selection, and both parents and players should enter the environment with eyes wide open.
All true for internal players but those same intangible qualities are unknown regarding outside players beyond what is either on tape or from an ID session. again, those intangible qualities must be demonstratively better. There should be enough tell tale signs that a kids spot is in jeopardy for specific reasons. "This needs to be fixed in game or minutes will be cut" or "practice consistency in work rate needs to improve..." etc..
Anonymous
11/29/2018 11:36
Subject: DA rosters: internal promotion or new blood?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:An assertion was made at our club that "they extend DA offers to new players rather than promote from their own team 2 as they want to bring more players into the club (and thus more money)."
In the case of our club team, that certainly seemed to be the case, with 4 new players joining and no one from the team 2 getting promoted, but I was just curious how are internal promotions handled at your DA? Is there a pathway with your club to the higher levels?
No matter the club, cough FCV cough, this does not work out. The "slighted" player always leaves the club. There is nothing wrong with bringing in outside players but they need to be demonstratively better than the ones they are bumping down or out. Players and parents can accept it if the player is clearly better but if they are pretty much just the same that is when folks, rightfully, get pissed off.
No, not "rightfully".
The DA is supposed to be cutthroat...that's what it's all about.
If they recruit someone from outside the team instead of promoting your kid, it's because they think he's better. Period. They owe nothing to the players or kids, and yes, you owe nothing to them.
If you don't like that, play rec.
What part about the bolded above do you not understand? Bringing in "same as" players is not being competitively cut throat, it is being bottom line fiscally cutthroat. Bringing in BETTER players is competitively cutthroat and most people accept that. There is a difference.
What a parent sees as "same as", may be very different from what a coach or TD sees... That said, i would say that most clubs bring in outside players to top teams, rather than promoting the B teamers, particularly if the outside kid has been playing at a higher level than the club's B team kids. That's just reality. part of what enables this process to continue is that the B team kids and parents "hang on" to the idea that they will move up and are often afraid to make a change.
The key is to let your child decide whether they are happy to continue at the same club on the B team, or, whether they are driven to go somewhere else to play at a higher level (assuming they are capable).
SpiritVAParent
11/29/2018 11:35
Subject: DA rosters: internal promotion or new blood?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:An assertion was made at our club that "they extend DA offers to new players rather than promote from their own team 2 as they want to bring more players into the club (and thus more money)."
In the case of our club team, that certainly seemed to be the case, with 4 new players joining and no one from the team 2 getting promoted, but I was just curious how are internal promotions handled at your DA? Is there a pathway with your club to the higher levels?
No matter the club, cough FCV cough, this does not work out. The "slighted" player always leaves the club. There is nothing wrong with bringing in outside players but they need to be demonstratively better than the ones they are bumping down or out. Players and parents can accept it if the player is clearly better but if they are pretty much just the same that is when folks, rightfully, get pissed off.
Once the kids are in core DA ages — 14/15/16/17 — parents on the sidelines need to realize that they’re not necessarily going to be able to gauge what makes one player better than another player in a coach’s estimation. It’s not necessarily how the player performs in games. Attitude, coachability, tactical vision, game intelligence, and potential for future growth are all things that a coach might consider in choosing a roster, and many of those are things that parents don’t see when watching a game but that coaches (good coaches, at least) actively seek.
And yes, DA is supposed to be selective although cutthroat might be a bit strong! To paraphrase investment world, past selection to a roster should be no guarantee of future selection, and both parents and players should enter the environment with eyes wide open.
Anonymous
11/29/2018 11:18
Subject: Re:DA rosters: internal promotion or new blood?
And this always hands me a laugh. We wonder why the US can't develop players. Well---if you have Clubs and Coaches not vested in them and know they will have 'ups and downs' as they grow and develop---you just keep getting new blood. It's all about 'wins' so that is never, ever going to change.
Anonymous
11/29/2018 11:01
Subject: DA rosters: internal promotion or new blood?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:An assertion was made at our club that "they extend DA offers to new players rather than promote from their own team 2 as they want to bring more players into the club (and thus more money)."
In the case of our club team, that certainly seemed to be the case, with 4 new players joining and no one from the team 2 getting promoted, but I was just curious how are internal promotions handled at your DA? Is there a pathway with your club to the higher levels?
No matter the club, cough FCV cough, this does not work out. The "slighted" player always leaves the club. There is nothing wrong with bringing in outside players but they need to be demonstratively better than the ones they are bumping down or out. Players and parents can accept it if the player is clearly better but if they are pretty much just the same that is when folks, rightfully, get pissed off.
No, not "rightfully".
The DA is supposed to be cutthroat...that's what it's all about.
If they recruit someone from outside the team instead of promoting your kid, it's because they think he's better. Period. They owe nothing to the players or kids, and yes, you owe nothing to them.
If you don't like that, play rec.
What part about the bolded above do you not understand? Bringing in "same as" players is not being competitively cut throat, it is being bottom line fiscally cutthroat. Bringing in BETTER players is competitively cutthroat and most people accept that. There is a difference.
Anonymous
11/29/2018 10:39
Subject: DA rosters: internal promotion or new blood?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:An assertion was made at our club that "they extend DA offers to new players rather than promote from their own team 2 as they want to bring more players into the club (and thus more money)."
In the case of our club team, that certainly seemed to be the case, with 4 new players joining and no one from the team 2 getting promoted, but I was just curious how are internal promotions handled at your DA? Is there a pathway with your club to the higher levels?
No matter the club, cough FCV cough, this does not work out. The "slighted" player always leaves the club. There is nothing wrong with bringing in outside players but they need to be demonstratively better than the ones they are bumping down or out. Players and parents can accept it if the player is clearly better but if they are pretty much just the same that is when folks, rightfully, get pissed off.
No, not "rightfully".
The DA is supposed to be cutthroat...that's what it's all about.
If they recruit someone from outside the team instead of promoting your kid, it's because they think he's better. Period. They owe nothing to the players or kids, and yes, you owe nothing to them.
If you don't like that, play rec.
Anonymous
11/29/2018 10:03
Subject: DA rosters: internal promotion or new blood?
This happens at non DA clubs too.
Anonymous
11/29/2018 10:02
Subject: DA rosters: internal promotion or new blood?
Anonymous wrote:An assertion was made at our club that "they extend DA offers to new players rather than promote from their own team 2 as they want to bring more players into the club (and thus more money)."
In the case of our club team, that certainly seemed to be the case, with 4 new players joining and no one from the team 2 getting promoted, but I was just curious how are internal promotions handled at your DA? Is there a pathway with your club to the higher levels?
No matter the club, cough FCV cough, this does not work out. The "slighted" player always leaves the club. There is nothing wrong with bringing in outside players but they need to be demonstratively better than the ones they are bumping down or out. Players and parents can accept it if the player is clearly better but if they are pretty much just the same that is when folks, rightfully, get pissed off.
Anonymous
11/29/2018 09:59
Subject: DA rosters: internal promotion or new blood?
Anonymous wrote:Sounds like FCV
Ding Ding Ding
Anonymous
11/29/2018 08:49
Subject: DA rosters: internal promotion or new blood?
Sounds like FCV
Anonymous
11/29/2018 08:25
Subject: DA rosters: internal promotion or new blood?
An assertion was made at our club that "they extend DA offers to new players rather than promote from their own team 2 as they want to bring more players into the club (and thus more money)."
In the case of our club team, that certainly seemed to be the case, with 4 new players joining and no one from the team 2 getting promoted, but I was just curious how are internal promotions handled at your DA? Is there a pathway with your club to the higher levels?
In the case of our club team, that certainly seemed to be the case, with 4 new players joining and no one from the team 2 getting promoted, but I was just curious how are internal promotions handled at your DA? Is there a pathway with your club to the higher levels?