Anonymous
11/12/2018 17:35
Subject: 2017-18 FCPS Out-of-School Suspensions by Pyramid
I don’t think those numbers tell the true story. Once my son got in a fight at school and I got a phone call. They didn’t even give him a detention. I asked why he wasn’t being suspended. They said they talked to him and the other student about their feelings and what caused the fight. We had consequences at home but the school didn’t do a thing. He doesn’t have a history of fighting but I would think fighting in school should be an automatic suspension or at least some consequence.
Anonymous
11/12/2018 15:51
Subject: Re:2017-18 FCPS Out-of-School Suspensions by Pyramid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My house is zoned for the LBSS pyramid and in general I feel like the LBSS and Robinson pyramids are similar. Any idea why LBSS has over 2x the number of suspensions as Robinson?
It is completely dependent on the administrator. I have worked in schools where everything horseplay in the hallways was a suspension (labeled as "play fighting" which has to be treated as fighting), and others where horseplay was a lunch detention. The behavior was the same at the different schools.
I'm not sure this list is really all that insightful since it's so subjective in how offenses are handled.
So true. I worked at a wealthy FCPS MS and the crap those kids got away with. Not even a write up for things like leaving campus to drink at a friends house. We apparently never had fights either--HAHA. But appearances were really important, so nothing got written up.
At another school, one administrator was write up crazy. Look at him funny and he'd write you up.
Don't think that those numbers are showing you what is really going on
There's a fairly strong (negative) correlation between student performance and the suspension rates. I could see an outlier or two in either direction, but overall you can see where students come to learn and where they are more likely to show up with a different attitude and end up in trouble.
Anonymous
11/12/2018 15:35
Subject: Re:2017-18 FCPS Out-of-School Suspensions by Pyramid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My house is zoned for the LBSS pyramid and in general I feel like the LBSS and Robinson pyramids are similar. Any idea why LBSS has over 2x the number of suspensions as Robinson?
The elementary school suspension rate in the LB pyramid is slightly higher than in the Robinson pyramid, but there was a sizable difference in the middle/high school rates. The numbers jumped at Lake Braddock last year compared to the two prior years. There was a bit of turmoil at LBSS last year relating to Thomas's departure, the interim leadership, and incidents between students and teachers/coaches. I'd expect those numbers to come down.
Yes.
Lake Braddock has had a lot of administrative issues lately, where Robinson and West Springfield have had stable leadership for a while.
The neighborhoods are so similar, so I would expect that LB will get back on track soon once things settle down and be more similar to its two neighboring pyramids.
Anonymous
11/12/2018 15:21
Subject: Re:2017-18 FCPS Out-of-School Suspensions by Pyramid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My house is zoned for the LBSS pyramid and in general I feel like the LBSS and Robinson pyramids are similar. Any idea why LBSS has over 2x the number of suspensions as Robinson?
It is completely dependent on the administrator. I have worked in schools where everything horseplay in the hallways was a suspension (labeled as "play fighting" which has to be treated as fighting), and others where horseplay was a lunch detention. The behavior was the same at the different schools.
I'm not sure this list is really all that insightful since it's so subjective in how offenses are handled.
So true. I worked at a wealthy FCPS MS and the crap those kids got away with. Not even a write up for things like leaving campus to drink at a friends house. We apparently never had fights either--HAHA. But appearances were really important, so nothing got written up.
At another school, one administrator was write up crazy. Look at him funny and he'd write you up.
Don't think that those numbers are showing you what is really going on
Anonymous
11/12/2018 15:02
Subject: Re:2017-18 FCPS Out-of-School Suspensions by Pyramid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My house is zoned for the LBSS pyramid and in general I feel like the LBSS and Robinson pyramids are similar. Any idea why LBSS has over 2x the number of suspensions as Robinson?
The elementary school suspension rate in the LB pyramid is slightly higher than in the Robinson pyramid, but there was a sizable difference in the middle/high school rates. The numbers jumped at Lake Braddock last year compared to the two prior years. There was a bit of turmoil at LBSS last year relating to Thomas's departure, the interim leadership, and incidents between students and teachers/coaches. I'd expect those numbers to come down.
DP- That’s what I thought. I think it’s smoother sailing this year.
Anonymous
11/12/2018 14:54
Subject: Re:2017-18 FCPS Out-of-School Suspensions by Pyramid
Anonymous wrote:My house is zoned for the LBSS pyramid and in general I feel like the LBSS and Robinson pyramids are similar. Any idea why LBSS has over 2x the number of suspensions as Robinson?
The elementary school suspension rate in the LB pyramid is slightly higher than in the Robinson pyramid, but there was a sizable difference in the middle/high school rates. The numbers jumped at Lake Braddock last year compared to the two prior years. There was a bit of turmoil at LBSS last year relating to Thomas's departure, the interim leadership, and incidents between students and teachers/coaches. I'd expect those numbers to come down.
Anonymous
11/12/2018 14:47
Subject: 2017-18 FCPS Out-of-School Suspensions by Pyramid
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Is this number of kids or instances?
I believe it's the number of instances. Other data appears to describe the percentage of K-12 students in the various pyramids who received out-of-school suspensions in 2017-18:
Mount Vernon 5.7%
Lee 3.9%
West Potomac 3.9%
Justice 3.7%
Edison 3.6%
Falls Church 3.4%
Hayfield 3.2%
Herndon 3.2%
South Lakes 3.1%
Centreville 3.0%
Annandale 2.3% (includes TJ)
South County 2.3%
Lake Braddock 2.1%
Westfield 2.1%
Fairfax 1.8%
Woodson 1.5%
Chantilly 1.3%
Marshall 1.0%
Robinson 1.0%
West Springfield 1.0%
Langley 0.8%
Madison 0.8%
McLean 0.7%
Oakton 0.6%
As you'd expect, the suspensions increase in middle and high school:
Mount Vernon 7.9%
Justice 7.1%
Falls Church 6.3%
Lee 6.2%
Edison 5.8%
Herndon 5.5%
Hayfield 4.4%
Centreville 4.0%
South Lakes 3.6%
Westfield 3.3%
Annandale 3.1% (includes TJ)
Lake Braddock 3.1%
Fairfax 2.0%
Oakton 2.0%
Chantilly 1.9%
Marshall 1.8%
South County 1.7%
Langley 1.6%
Woodson 1.5%
West Springfield 1.4%
Madison 1.2%
McLean 1.2%
Robinson 1.1%
Anonymous
11/12/2018 14:38
Subject: 2017-18 FCPS Out-of-School Suspensions by Pyramid
Anonymous wrote:Is this number of kids or instances?
I believe it's the number of instances. Other data appears to describe the percentage of K-12 students in the various pyramids who received out-of-school suspensions in 2017-18:
Mount Vernon 5.7%
Lee 3.9%
West Potomac 3.9%
Justice 3.7%
Edison 3.6%
Falls Church 3.4%
Hayfield 3.2%
Herndon 3.2%
South Lakes 3.1%
Centreville 3.0%
Annandale 2.3% (includes TJ)
South County 2.3%
Lake Braddock 2.1%
Westfield 2.1%
Fairfax 1.8%
Woodson 1.5%
Chantilly 1.3%
Marshall 1.0%
Robinson 1.0%
West Springfield 1.0%
Langley 0.8%
Madison 0.8%
McLean 0.7%
Oakton 0.6%
Anonymous
11/12/2018 14:16
Subject: 2017-18 FCPS Out-of-School Suspensions by Pyramid
This is partly why we moved from a certain school zone to one with a fraction of the suspensions (one of 5 schools that has the fewest suspensions).
Remember that some schools are far larger than others, so the smaller schools like Lee or Falls Church are actually worse than this list appears b/c they have smaller student populations.
Remember that some schools are far larger than others, so the smaller schools like Lee or Falls Church are actually worse than this list appears b/c they have smaller student populations.
Anonymous
11/12/2018 12:36
Subject: Re:2017-18 FCPS Out-of-School Suspensions by Pyramid
More unsupervised kids living off Route 1 than off Route 123.
Anonymous
11/12/2018 11:40
Subject: 2017-18 FCPS Out-of-School Suspensions by Pyramid
To add to that, are these 1 day suspensions or 10 day suspensions? Suspensions for what offense? Bringing tylenol vs. pot are technically the same offense (and both suspendable), but parents would obviously view them differently.
Anonymous
11/12/2018 11:38
Subject: Re:2017-18 FCPS Out-of-School Suspensions by Pyramid
Anonymous wrote:My house is zoned for the LBSS pyramid and in general I feel like the LBSS and Robinson pyramids are similar. Any idea why LBSS has over 2x the number of suspensions as Robinson?
It is completely dependent on the administrator. I have worked in schools where everything horseplay in the hallways was a suspension (labeled as "play fighting" which has to be treated as fighting), and others where horseplay was a lunch detention. The behavior was the same at the different schools.
I'm not sure this list is really all that insightful since it's so subjective in how offenses are handled.
Anonymous
11/12/2018 10:53
Subject: 2017-18 FCPS Out-of-School Suspensions by Pyramid
Is this number of kids or instances?
Anonymous
11/12/2018 10:48
Subject: Re:2017-18 FCPS Out-of-School Suspensions by Pyramid
My house is zoned for the LBSS pyramid and in general I feel like the LBSS and Robinson pyramids are similar. Any idea why LBSS has over 2x the number of suspensions as Robinson?
Anonymous
11/12/2018 10:45
Subject: 2017-18 FCPS Out-of-School Suspensions by Pyramid
FCPS has released data on the number of out-of-school suspensions within the various pyramids in 2017-18 (TJHSST is included in the Annandale pyramid).
Mount Vernon 329
West Potomac 263
Annandale 192
Justice 191
Centreville 178
Falls Church 174
Lee 174
South Lakes 174
Hayfield 158
Edison 157
Herndon 153
Westfield 152
Lake Braddock 141
Chantilly 112
South County 100
West Springfield 95
Fairfax 89
Woodson 72
Robinson 58
Marshall 56
Madison 50
Oakton 45
McLean 45
Langley 43
Mount Vernon 329
West Potomac 263
Annandale 192
Justice 191
Centreville 178
Falls Church 174
Lee 174
South Lakes 174
Hayfield 158
Edison 157
Herndon 153
Westfield 152
Lake Braddock 141
Chantilly 112
South County 100
West Springfield 95
Fairfax 89
Woodson 72
Robinson 58
Marshall 56
Madison 50
Oakton 45
McLean 45
Langley 43